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It's not the 1st time a language/tool will be lost to the annals of the job market, eg VB6 or FoxPro. Though previously all such cases used to happen gradually, giving most people enough time to adapt to the changes.

I wonder what's it going to be like this time now that the machine, w/ the help of humans of course, can accomplish an otherwise multi-month risky corporate project much faster? What happens to all those COBOL developer jobs?

Pray share your thoughts, esp if you're a COBOL professional and have more context around the implication of this announcement πŸ™

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[–] halfempty@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's alot of effort to go from one horrible programming language to another horrible programming language.

[–] juja@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What would your language of choice have been? And why is java horrible for this scenario? it sounds like a reasonably good choice to me

[–] AttackPanda@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m thinking Go or Rust would be the logical next step. They probably won’t want an interpreted language so Python is out.

[–] Bene7rddso@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

If they don't want interpreted Java is out too

[–] juja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just curious, what about go or rust makes them the logical next choice and not java? What do go or rust do better that java doesn't?

[–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Java is an Oracle honey pot, a royal sustainment PIA, massive security liability, clutters up systems with its nonsense and slow as shit.

β€œdear diary, despite running on a system with 1TB of RAM, a routine security patch reset the Java max memory quota and now every Java process stops after 256MB of object allocation. All four threads ran out of memory with 999GB RAM free. Thank you for this wonderful and blessed gift of computational ineptitude, amen.”

[–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Rust - absolutely.

[–] infamous_trade@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] cow@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

JavaScript is worse than COBOL.

I’m assuming there is an implied /s here

[–] TacoNissan@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

JavaScript is actually really nice as a beginner programming language because of how quickly and visually you can see your results, and how easily you can debug with console output. Yeah it's horribly unoptimized but it's not for big things. It's for little things. It's baby's first programming language.

[–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It actually is pretty quick. Dont sleep on JavaScript capabilities. However, it is untyped. You wouldn’t want the date you wrote your check to become the amount of your check, for example.

TypeScript does a nice job there but all in all at that point might as well go all in on a typed language.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] orangeboats@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not nearly as performant as either Java or COBOL.

[–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

What

Java is a POS and mainframes run faster emulated on a rasberry pi vs the actual hw.

The real answer is you want a typed language with financial transactions. But even python would be better than Java.

[–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. Leave it to IBM to take a terrible idea and make it worse.