this post was submitted on 23 Aug 2023
5 points (77.8% liked)

Philosophy

491 readers
1 users here now

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/1624944

(edit: from another crosspost, apparently NL shops are operating legally)

Saw a “no cash” sign at a bakery. Conversation went like this:

me: So, no cash? What’s going on there?

cashier: Yeah, we’re not allowed to accept cash.

me: Isn’t it the other way around? Isn’t there a legal tender law in #Netherlands?

cashier: Yeah, we’re not allowed to refuse cash.

me: So this sign posting says loud and clear “we are breaking the law”, in effect, no? Is that not being enforced?

cashier: That’s right. It’s unenforced in Netherlands.

The same thing is happening in #Belgium. This kind of forces me to revise my understanding of European culture & norms. In both the US & Europe there is a culture of certain laws (rightfully) going unenforced against individual natural people. E.g. small amounts of marijuana possession. But I previously thought when it came to moral/legal people (businesses), they simply complied with the law in Europe to a great extent.

IOW, companies complied with laws in Europe. Contrast that with the US where corporations small and large will blatantly disregard any laws that interfere with profit based on the calculated risk of getting caught and risk of penalties.

I just wonder if Europe is being influenced by cavalier US corps and changing to comply only when penalties are likely. Or is this something I had wrong all along.. that EU companies were always loose with compliance?

#WarOnCash

update


The original post was censored without reason by @knollebol4 @nlemmy.nl. It’s now a non-existent node, perhaps rightfully so if it’s going to use an anti-spam tool against ideas.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] max@nano.garden 2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Yes, it is increasingly difficult to pay with cash in the Netherlands. Even at the Albert Heijn they have set it up such that it is a lot more convenient NOT to pay with cash. They have a large amount of self-service pin-only checkouts, and one or maybe two workers accepting cash at the manual checkout lane.

One path is to make an effort to resist this digital move and pressure politicians so that they enforce these type of rules and that cash is accepted. But I think this can at best slow this process down.

The other path is to embrace the digital move and start integrating crypto currencies into our societies in a more substantial manner. I know that many people have given up in crypto, but, putting speculation and hype aside, crypto is the best way we know of to integrate cash-like payments into the digital world. Right? Or is this something others disagree with?

[–] to55@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I read in the linked article that the upcoming digital Euro will be sort of a cryptocurrency, and is as close to digital cash as it can get. I think it’s a very interesting development. Transactions can even be made if both the sender and the receiver are offline.

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/211268/europese-commissie-presenteert-wetsvoorstel-voor-digitale-euro.html

(Translated to English by Google)

[–] max@nano.garden 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Interesting. I haven't followed development in the space of "official" crypto currencies, but my impression is that these will probably be centralized, have little to no privacy features, and that the governments will be able to control access to the funds.

But I may be wrong - maybe they are actually building decentralized crypto networks? I just find it hard to believe that a government would do this.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)