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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.


Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


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A warming climate has claimed three more glaciers in Washington state. All three were on Mount Rainier, which is home to more ice than any U.S. mountain south of Alaska.

Scientists with the National Park Service say that Stevens Glacier was gone as of 2021.

Glaciologist Mauri Pelto looked at satellite imagery from last fall and says that he found that two other glaciers had dwindled down to ice patches, too small to be considered glaciers anymore.

“As we continue to have these warm summers and these heat waves, all the glaciers are going to really suffer, and any glacier that's not in pretty good form is going to be lost," Pelto says.

Park service researchers say Rainier has lost half its ice since the start of the 20th Century. The losses have accelerated in recent years.

Pelto also notes that it’s too late to save the Northwest’s smaller glaciers, given the warming already baked into the climate by human pollution. But he says it’s not too late to slow global warming enough to save the Northwest’s bigger glaciers.

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Submission comment: I believe scientists error on the side of optimism for many reasons, and I believe one of those reasons is because environmental systems are so complex, even the most informed are ignorant of the true consequences the globe will experience thanks to the massive influence of humanity.

When we experience "accelerating losses" and it is already "too late" to save resources we depend on for survival, I think it is wishful thinking that even bold actions could prevent the loss of the bigger glaciers.

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[–] CommodoreSixtyFour_@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no scenario in which bold actions that actually help in any meaningful way will be preferred. People are only trying to cope. Never surrender any ounce of convenience, no matter how damaging it is. The reason for this is, as pretty much always, found in the incentives created by capitalism.

[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yes if we really cared, we'd create an immediate transition plan away from cars to public transit, emphasizing a more local community level economies that encourages far less consumerism. Along with fossel fuel ships and planes.