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According to two Russian soldiers interviewed by a pro-invasion blogger, if you wear a Russian military uniform on the metro in Moscow people distance themselves and give you dirty looks.

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[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, draft dodging means maybe losing your freedom and the ability to provide for your children, which is a shit situation to be put in.

But the choice is between poverty and fucking murder. Your choice sucks, but you choose to be a monster. I spare my sympathy for those who choose to be not-murderers.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But at the same time, they are absolutely being fed propaganda and don’t have an accurate view of what is going on in Ukraine.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That is a valid point. I personally can't accept it changing the situation, but I won't hold it against anyone that do.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wanted to say they know how things are in reality, but suddenly remembered teacher in my school. Yep, some of them are completely brainwashed. Mostly those who will not be drafted. Either by being too old or having non-draftable sex(it would be funny if I'll get banned for this).

As Ekaterina Schulman says: this is unusual war. War is what Yong do, but this one is war of Old/Elders.

[–] First@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read an interview of locals from an Ukrainian village that got invaded - the Russians rolled in and asked the locals "where are the Nazis? Lead us to them!", and were surprised that the locals just asked them to leave, instead of cheering for their "liberation ".

So the propaganda certainly reached the military, at least.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You mean in early days? Haven't served myself(and hopefully won't), but what I know is in Russian army your only sources of information are your commander and your peers whoose only sources of information is same commander and you. This sounds like an excellent ground for propaganda.

But:

  1. Different audience

A lot of people were from poor regions.

  1. Different context

They are in the middle of nowhere.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago

Draft dodging is probably worse in Russia.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you rather kill your own children, or kill someone else's children? At least they aren't shooting refugees for refusing to rape each other, that's the Saudis...

Ain't the world a nice place?

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  1. That's nowhere near the dillemma they are facing.

  2. Russians are already torturing, kidnapping and executing civilians so not even a valid whataboutism.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Having your children or parents/grandparents, starve or freeze to death, can easily kill them. Maybe it's not 100% certain like shooting someone to death, but still, most people value their own people's lives more than someone else's.

And it's not whataboutism, just a qualification on a scale: I haven't heard (yet) of Russians forcing civilians to torture each other, so they're like a step less depraved than the Saudis.