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Using exceptions in C++ desktop and server applications overall made sense to me. As I expanded my usage of C++ into other domains, specifically embedded domains, I began to experience more compelling reasons not to use exceptions first-hand...

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[–] colonial@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

I would consider language support essential for "good" sum types. AFAIK, stuff like exhaustive pattern matching can't be accomplished by a library. Perhaps you could do some cursed stuff with compiler plugins, however.

(There was a library that implemented non-exhaustive pattern matching that eventually morphed into an ISO C++ proposal... so we won't see it until 2030 at the earliest /hj)

[–] lysdexic@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I think that pattern matching and sum types are orthogonal to monads, and aren't really relevant when discussing monads as alternatives to exceptions. C++ didn't required any of those to add std::optional or std::variant, and those are already used as result monads.

Supporting Result and Either monads in the standard would be nice, but again this does not stop anyone from adopting one of the many libraries that already provide those.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, if you create result types without monads, you get go.

I would say it's completely essential, but you can do with some limited implementation of them.

[–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I guess it depends on what you mean by using monads, but you can have a monadic result type without introducing a concrete monad abstraction that it implements.

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