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Hatred often makes you want to hurt people, but people hurt peope in the name of greed more often, and not only with less potential for guilt, but is often the cause of delusional accolades and reassurance both from within oneself and from others.

Hypothetical:

A CEO lays off 10,000 employees that helped that company succeed, solely to increase earnings and not because the company is hurting, not only seriously hurting 9,997 people, but causing 3 to commit suicide.

A bumpkin gets in a fight with someone he hates the melanin of because he's a moron and kills them.

Who did more damage to humanity that day? They're both, I want to say evil but evil is subjective, they're both highly antisocial, knowingly harmful behaviors, yet one correctly sends you to prison for a long time if not forever, while the other, far more premeditated and quite literally calculated act, is literally rewarded and partied about. Jim Kramer gives you a shout out on tv, good fucking times amirite!

Edit: and this felt relevant to post after someone tried to lecture me about equating layoffs to murder.

"Coca-Cola killed trade unionists in Latin America. General Motors built vehicles known to catch fire. Tobacco companies suppressed cancer research. And Boeing knew that its planes were dangerous. Corporations don't care if they kill people — as long as it's profitable."

https://jacobin.com/2020/01/corporations-profit-values-murder-culture-boeing

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[–] Pheta@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Pt 2.

Adding more subjective emotional consideration to a punitive system which is already weighed down beyond the ability to enact swift justice is the opposite of helpful.

Subjective emotional consideration? You mean the discretionary judgment that all standing justices (supreme court or otherwise) have had since the founding of America, and that continues to this day? I won't disagree that the justice system is being weighed down, but we'll save tackling that issue another day.

What’s your point? That people organize themselves to commit crimes?

You mean like a criminal organization? But, and stay with me here, but what if a legal organization seeks to abuse legal loopholes or commit crimes when the calculated profits offset the risks?

That risky behavior is more dangerous when it’s amplified by concentrated capital?

Uh, yes. Risk taking behavior is incredibly more dangerous when power, wealth, or capital is concentrated in fewer hands. If the rail companies chose, they could effectively strangle national defenses, aid and abet foreign actors to cause very serious damage to our national economy (yes, the national economy is a form of national power, and thus defense. I'm not going to argue semantics about how intentionally harming the economy is different than harming military assets).

None of this justifies the phenomenal leap you made to say that an employer is responsible for the lives of their employees. None of this is precedent for the further corruption of the justice system into subjectivity and emotional bias.

Pretty sure I've made it clear in the above that this is neither such a drastic leap in logic or risk for lawmakers, the public, or the country to make. We're literally talking about cracking down on white collar crime, and somehow it's this sin against all natural goodness. Neither does a precedent need to be made; we're not writing a law, none of us are lawyers, and this isn't a court of law, so I'm unsure if this is yet another attempt to shift goalposts to some much higher, loftier standard than the general discourse it was meant to be, or if you're somehow under the delusion that these arguments are anything more than idle conversation amongst the general public, and that you somehow think you're in the senate hearing a bill proposition.

Can’t you see that you’re actually making it worse?

In what way? So far you've only agued using common logical fallacies by shifting goalposts, virtue signaling, and obfuscating the actual point you're trying to make.