Hey everyone, I'm honestly really liking Lemmy so far. Maybe that's because it feels so much like browsing reddit 10 years ago and I think it's safe to say many of us have migrated from the blackout. I'd been a Reddit user since 2010 so I've witnessed the slow decline over the years but popping here has really driven home how corporate it started to feel--less like a genuine hub of community and more like a manufactured product with low effort content and some genuine discussion/input peppered throughout.

That said, does anyone feel the idea of a federated platform might be confusing to some less network-savvy users? There's other successful multi-server platforms like Discord but somehow for me the idea of a 'chatroom' versus something more like a forum/board seems like it would make more sense to a less informed user. I could see hearing that posts are aggregating from other sites or being cross-visible confusing to individuals who understand web usage as, 'visit site--post to site--view content on site'.

Does that make sense? lol Anyways, loving the site so far--hope to see it grow!

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[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Honestly I think people are making it more complicated than it is. Like everyone tries to compare it to email, but guess what I don't know how email works either. And that's fine, I don't need to understand it. I type words, hit send, tech magic happens, and somebody reads more words. I'd say, just stop trying to explain the technical stuff behind lemmy.

I agree the servers with vetted sign-ups are a major hurdle. I tried behaw first, but I only gave it 15 minutes of waiting before trying to find a new server and now I'm here. I'd tell people to just go with specific open servers, create an account, and boom reddit replacement. The only other thing that needs explained is that some communities are on different servers, but that just means you hit "all" instead of "local" to search. Otherwise it's basically reddit.

My opinion is people need to stop trying to explain the fediverse in detail, nobody cares, nobody needs to know, it's just creating confusion. People don't know how any of their services work and don't care. Just tell them how to get setup in as painless a way as possible.

[–] c2h6@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah I just tell people to join lemmy.world or beehaw and look for "all" instead of local. If they're interested, they'll find out about instances later.

[–] isdfoa@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My dumbass thought 'local' meant popular in my geo location and 'all' is worldwide when I first joined 😅

[–] c2h6@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Not dumb! We're all new to this!

[–] jugalator@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah I think during design, they sometimes forget and use terminology that makes sense out of a federation perspective rather than newcomers. "Local" could as well have been named "This Server" and it would be much more clear.

[–] nonresonant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Same here but I was confused because I didn't give any location permissions, lt.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Funny that you mention two very popular instances, one of which is now defederated from the other, so content between them isn't shared. I agree with OP that a lot of people are just going to throw up their hands if they hit something like that early on.

I'm generally getting the hang of it, and get why we have situations like this defederation thing happening, but I've also been a software engineer for close to 40 years. I made a personal decision not to recommend it to some of my family members because I don't think it's ready for them. I think an app that automated things like subscribing to communities on other instances would go a long way.

[–] ZappySnap@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What do you mean one is defederated from the other? I'm on lemmy.world and can see all beehaw communities just fine.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm new to this as well, but I believe you'll find that you can see their posts, but you won't be able to contribute to them, and they won't see what is posted to either of those instances.

[–] falconfetus8@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You're seeing older posts from before it was defederated.

[–] ZappySnap@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What do you mean one is defederated from the other. I'm on lemmy.world and can see communities from beehaw just fine.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Yes, just send them to e.g. lemmy.world, they don’t care about the details, nor do they need to.

[–] heili@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I tried behaw first, but I only gave it 15 minutes of waiting before trying to find a new server and now I’m here.

I gave it a couple of weeks, never got an email about whether my account was approved or denied. It was as transparent as mud. I mentioned it on IRC, and someone said "Oh just keep trying different servers." Initially when I looked at the list a lot of them expressed that they were for people of leftist political leaning, for various countries specifically, LGBTQ+, POC. Joining a server was a complicated process of "What do I join? Will I be welcome there? What is their process? Why am I not seeing any answer?"

Then there's finding communities. You can list them, and for all instances, but then it's quite a massive list to sort through. Searching is hit or miss, and depends on knowing that you have to specifically try to search all instances. Community names aren't super easy to discern so you have to try various forms of your search terms. And trying to do the "reddit like" syntax of /c/ only works on your present server, so unless you know the exact name of the instance you want to try that community on to use the @<lemmy.instance> syntax, it won't work.

[–] taakofromtv@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I was mad confused by "servers" in Minecraft, but my kids got it at 6 years old. We'll figure this out, too.