I guess guys don't see half the Lemmy posts I do with users complaining they can't download a piece of software like Adobe because Adobe tells them Firefox isn't supported.

I love how Lemmy users live in this small logical fallacy bubble of, "well I don't have it happen to me so therefore you must be the outlier instead."

[–] jeanma@lemmy.ninja 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Adobe because Adobe tells them Firefox isn’t supported.

And why? It has nothing to do with Firefox. So here, You are not using Chrome for its pretending superiority, you use it because of sabotage.

Don't get me wrong, you are totally free to do whatever you want, pal.

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It doesn't matter what finger you point where and that is my issue with Lemmy. You can support what you want but the truth is the average user that you want to use Firefox needs a web browser that is supported and works and the truth is average companies used like Adobe don't use it or support it. I never said Firefox was the issue I said, it's not surprising that people keep using Chrome.

Feel how you want but it comes to things just being available Chrome has that edge. I also don't use Firefox to pretend not to use Chrome and that is the funny thing about the average Lemmy user. I use both because both have different benefits. If want to block ads and keep my privacy intact I use Firefox which is why none of my Google life is a part of Firefox. I use Proton and DuckDuckGo when using Firefox and pay for Blokada 6 for VPN usage on my OS and DNS over HTTPS when I use Firefox.

Believe it or not you can use both and remain rational and objective towards what one product does better than the other. It's okay though. Don't get me wrong some of us can be surprised that a product is popular. Some of us choose to understand where the value is in average consumer use case. You are als free to do whatever you want though.

Lemmy is full of users like that I keep saying make these statements, "why doesn't the average user care about their privacy?" Or, "why does the average user still keep using Google or Facebook?" Because the average user can just find those the average user is lazy. They use what everyone is using. However, if web could have a normal discussion you would be surprised to maybe see that isn't always the case. The product has to change and piss people off. Hence Reddit, Twitter, etc.

If you want the average user to move from Chrome to Firefox it is going to take Lemmy users not being smug and subtly saying, "why are they idiots that keep supporting bit companies that are against them." And that is the vibe those questions give off and in return it makes things feel more inclusive and less welcoming. Instead of being "surprised" maybe you should be open to just educating a user or just ask them, "why do you use Chrome over FF?"

The issue I keep seeing is that it is the users problem but I think it is a bit of both the user and the big company. There should be an expectation of privacy but a doctor isn't worried about a Googpe search being private a doctor is concerned with a search being accurate or available. Take DuckDuckGo for example.

The average user isn't worried about an open source product they have to compile on a Linux OS that they have to install to get away from Windows so they can use an open source version of photo editing products on Firefox. The average user is just going to use what is there and what is popular. Let's imagine for a second I am an Adobe software user and I go to download Adobe on Firefox and it just doesn't work. As a user I am going to get annoyed and sure enough I will be right back on Chrome or Edge. That isn't the users fault or FF's fault. It is Adobes but that pointing finger is irrelevant to the user because they want a product that gives them no hassle.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone -1 points 1 year ago

And why? It has nothing to do with Firefox.

I don't know about the Adobe case because I don't use Adobe web services. But it certainly could be Firefox's fault. For a long time I was a regular heavy user of a site that made extensive use of a particular CSS property that just was not implemented on Firefox. For years it just couldn't do the necessary behaviour for that site to work.

I don't use the site anymore, and it looks like Firefox has eventually gotten around to implementing it so it might work. But the point stands that a site not supporting Firefox could be Firefox's fault.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that a unified renderer is a good thing. Having all browsers be chromium based would make developers' jobs easier and would in turn provide users with a better experience. The individual projects like Edge, Vivaldi, and Brave can and should choose not to implement shitty things that Google is doing like Manifest V3 and Web Integrity API, without needing to have their own entire rendering engine like Firefox does.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Adobe tells them Firefox isn’t supported.

ISeeThisAsAnAbsoluteWin.pdf

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Again with this insufferable Lemmy user response it's a loss because as an average user what do you think my next step is not should be. I am going to download Chrome. Call or a win but you are already missing the point of you think Adobe is losing here.

[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I don't see the problem, adobe makes their site not work on google. What is firefox going to do? I would like adobe and google to be fined to literal death and have their entire companies split up and reduced to mere shells along with most other big pesudo monopolies. But that won't happen so oh well. Also I've had websites not work on chrome too and in my windows days I had both installed, now I couldn't give a fuck and just close the sites.

[–] botorfj@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

for real

[–] Waker@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I just use edge/chrome for twitch.tv... It's no longer compatible with Firefox for some reason... :(

Edit: twitch does work, I meant the login doesn't. Sorry I was too sleepy to word it correctly. After pressing login even though user and password are correct I get an error message saying my browser is not compatible.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

What happens if you switch the user agent header? Most of these sites that don't work with Firefox actually do work but are deliberately designing them not to function with Firefox.

For example, I got Bing AI to work by switching it to mimic Edge.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Twitch absolutely works with Firefox. I don't think I've accessed twitch from any browser other than Firefox now that I think about it.

[–] Waker@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe I that was a wrong choice of words on my end.

Twitch doesn't let me login. I can watch still. But if I want to earn drops or something I can't, because I can't login. It says my browser is incompatible.

[–] Cheez@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh? This is news to me.

I don't use Twitch much but I just hopped on and it worked perfectly fine. What's not supposed to work?

[–] Waker@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's my bad. I absolutely didn't word that right. I was half asleep already ahaha

Twitch does work, but I can't login. It says my browser is incompatible. The only reason I watch twitch is for twitch drops (I'm not really into live streams tbh) so that defeats the whole purpose.

I will try doing like someone else said and "spoof" my browser version and such. That would be great if it worked.