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Hello Metal Detectors perhaps you can help me: I'm into all sorts of music and I've listened to modern day metal.
What confuses me is that Led Zeppelin has also been described as Metal and Heavy Metal. I listened to Led Zeppelin 4 and it has accoustic folk songs on it.
So I guess my question is when did todays metal start to sound like metal? Is there any connective tissue with Metal in the late '60s / early '70s and now?
The heavier rock of the 60s/70s is sometimes called proto-metal. Some of the stuff made by bands like led zepp, deep purple, Steppenwolf, etc. Hell, even the Beatles' Helter skelter is considered proto metal by some.
Also, many metal albums used to have a ballad or two, even bands like Testament, Metallica, etc so it's not that unusual to hear acoustic songs alongside heavier ones.
Not sure if that answers your questions, feel free to ask more specific ones or whatever. It's one if my favourite subjects xD
Modern metal is based on classical note progressions and chords, and sounds quite different to the 70’s-80’s metal. Those were more often than not just rock music (based on blues*) that was more exciting or had more controversial lyrics in it. Nonetheless, it was all branded as “heavy metal.” It was all “metal,” like many 80’s hair bands that really were just rocking out but had scandalous outfits or songs with rebellious natures. Twisted Sister is not metal today. Black Sabbath, however, is.
Back in Black by AC/DC is not metal by today’s standards, it would be classified as Hard Rock, for instance. By comparison, Judas Priest’s Painkiller is very much Metal by today’s standards. Listen to the way the music flows, the note changes being used, the harmonics, and you’ll find that eventually you can generally identify rock from metal pretty easily.
Note: this is for general distinctions and not sub-genres. That’s too complex of a topic to cover in this comment
*see below comment for more details
Not a musician or anything but I thought rock was more based on blues than jazz. Am I wrong?
Not necessarily, but jazz brought a lot of the higher energy that became inspirational for rock and roll to develop. Technically, it is more based on Blues, using similar chords and note progression, and I suppose it would be more accurate to say that the basis for Rock is Blues, with the influence of Jazz’s more chaotic, improvisational methods.
I’ll update my comment to reflect this in the top level
Mostly when people think of blues, they think of… well, having “the blues.” The sad, emotional songs that sing your soul to be rent, whereas rock is usually very different in its popular appearances.
Metallica.
Edit It's more like a Zeppelin - Black Sabbath - Metallica gradient.