this post was submitted on 09 Aug 2023
322 points (95.7% liked)
Games
16800 readers
634 users here now
Video game news oriented community. No NanoUFO is not a bot :)
Posts.
- News oriented content (general reviews, previews or retrospectives allowed).
- Broad discussion posts (preferably not only about a specific game).
- No humor/memes etc..
- No affiliate links
- No advertising.
- No clickbait, editorialized, sensational titles. State the game in question in the title. No all caps.
- No self promotion.
- No duplicate posts, newer post will be deleted unless there is more discussion in one of the posts.
- No politics.
Comments.
- No personal attacks.
- Obey instance rules.
- No low effort comments(one or two words, emoji etc..)
- Please use spoiler tags for spoilers.
My goal is just to have a community where people can go and see what new game news is out for the day and comment on it.
Other communities:
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I don't like the down vote button so I will spare you with that. Yes, they can still put it on their resume but what the employer did is scumbag move cause translation is a hard job to do well and good translator can make good money doing various job. In creative industry, credit listed is a big thing for anyone that starting out. If not so, why does movie, anime, game that have those long scrolling opening/ending credit?( A xxxxx Film, Directed by xxxxx, Produced by xxxxx.) For a video game, there is no "screen time" limit like movie/anime do, so not including the team and only the execs is like slapping those that worked really hard for the project to make it a better game.
I guess the disconnect is that this is common practice in most industries. Is it right? I can't really comment on that. Do team leads or EC members get their name on things when 100's of people worked tirelessly under them and they networked at the golf course? Yes..all the time in business. Maybe this is different in the gaming industry.
Have you ever watched a movie? Were you blown away by all the execs they added in the credits and assumed they must have had thousands of others under them not mentioned? Or do you not typically assume every other industry follows the same standard as yours?
What you said is akin to me saying "Why are they expecting their name on things? The restaurant I work at doesn't put my name on the menu when I'm cooking that night."
It's a different industry and I would be foolish to assume the standards in mine definitely should translate to others, and then confidently comment publicly about it.
For outsourced companies it usually works like this in movie and game credits, yes. You get a section in the credits headed by your company name, then the names of the managers and the project leads. Individual workers for these vfx, sound etc companies are not listed in most cases.
I think it boils down less to comparing industries at the end of the day, and more about 'what do the actual supposed oppressed translators think'? I see a lot of white knighting and back seat posturing, but nothing from the supposed slighted translators. If in fact being listed in credits is that important, why wasn't it in their contract? One thing about any industry, don't assume something important is going to happen. Get it in your contract.
Maybe because of the usual power imbalance between employer and employee? If there are enough other applicants, employers can dictate the terms. It‘s a bit like saying to a coal miner: “Oh, if not dying from black lung disease is sooo important to you, why wasn‘t that in your contract?”
I hate this term. If you call people who care about injustices “white knights”, what do you call the people who go out of their way to defend injustices and take the side of the more powerful parties?
I think arseholes is the official term.
Yeah and all that white knighting gives visibility to the issue and now Larian has reached out to ask for the full teams name to put in the credits. Good thing the common population doesn’t share your opinion or that never would have happened
Except if there actually is an issue (we still haven't heard from the people affected by this) then this accomplishes next to nothing. If this generation continues to rely on fickle internet FOMO crap instead of, I don't know, actually attempting to solve their problems, nothing is going to get better. We've turned companies into 'internet responders' who care more about their internet image than actually taking care of their workers. If this group of workers is actually affected by this as negatively as the internet feels, then they need to work for change internally in their industry. This is just a shiny thing the internet picked up on before it moves on to the next.
Lmao that’s the most reaching argument I’ve ever heard in my life. Won’t anyone please save these poor companies from being “internet responders” and help them from pretending to care about their workers and forcing their hand to actually do something.
After all the only change that matters is internal change. Conveniently the kind of change that the general public also has zero way of influencing so any time a company performs any kind of obvious injustice it’s obviously virtue signalling to mention it since we have zero influence on internal policy.
Much better that companies not even give an appearance of giving a shit compared to the world we live in now where the direct problem people complained about is now being addressed
Reading comprehension might be an issue for you. Never did I ever insinuate that the companies were in need of saving from this. But thanks for letting me know my points are wasted on you. Stick with your echo chambers I guess.
Reading comprehension might be an issue for you if you can’t understand sarcasm
Oh nice, internet sarcasm? That's basically the "it's a prank, bro" when you get called out. Nice try though.
Wow would you look at that they even had internal policy changes because of internet white knighting. Granted we can take this with a heavy heavy grain of salt and their commitment remains to be seen but you’re just taking L after L
https://www.eurogamer.net/baldurs-gate-3-translation-company-commits-to-change-after-leaving-staff-out-of-credits
It's funny to me that you think someones point of view differing from yours could be an L. You do realize we can have differing points of view, and I have yet to see an L in mine, right?
Not being able to read sarcasm you really do have a Reddit mindset
I check back on this thread just to see if you have anything intelligent to offer. I'll probably just stop checking now..
Wow that’s actually kind of pathetic that you’re so wrong and you don’t have a life
grabs popcorn Oh really? Tell me more! I always enjoy seeing a discussion devolve into middle school banter, it really helps me realize WHY you have the views you do. Because you're 13...
I mean the fact that you’re so dumb that you think you need to open the thread to check for updates instead of just waiting for a notification that tells you if someone replies just speaks for itself
Oh and then the sheer arrogance of you saying that the people who disagreed with you was the reddit crowd when the top comment of the Reddit thread was asking “who cares” like you were is just the best cherry on top
Just to be clear calling you pathetic isn’t just a school ground insult it’s a statement of fact evidenced by your comments
Yeah I was wrong with the reddit comment. People like you living in your echo chambers is just an internet thing, not really a reddit thing. I'm ok with people like you on the internet calling me pathetic too, tbh. It means you had 0 comeback to the discussion. Look into argument debate info bro, what you just did is textbook 'I lost' stuff.
Lmao the argument was settled when the public giving a shit has objectively helped credit the translation team. Hell the person who originally posted is a professional translator i.e. the closest you can get to the situation without threat of being fired for saying something.
What do you call someone who spends all day refreshing a thread on the internet hoping for a response from an internet stranger?
Pathetic. Hell you even BRAGGED about it to me. Like I said it’s a statement of fact. If you don’t believe me brag to your friends
...You brag to your friends about internet arguments?
Reading comprehension not your strong suit huh?
I’ll break it down so you can understand
I’m making fun of you for bragging about checking on your internet arguments and that if you told your friends they would also think you are pathetic
I bet you someone contacted that guy to find and post that tweet. Mind you speak out against the company while employed is against the contract and can land you a law suit if you cause any reputation damage. So that answered your concern.
To get it in contract is common practice in film/TV/game projects, it just need to become more popular idea for the localization side of gaming industry.
Yeah man, this makes a lot of sense. Hopefully they got it in their contracts and can get some compensation for it.