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Any distinction between the former president’s White House bid and his criminal defense is vanishing as the charges against him mount.

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[–] Umbra@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

That's the whole point of the bogus charges and the whole witch hunt. To lower Donald Trump's re-election chances.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago
[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The charges aren’t bogus. It’s not a witch hunt. donald trump is a proven fraud.

[–] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you provide some reasons why the charges are bogus? Do you believe they lack evidence? Do you think they will be thrown out? One in particular catches my attention as there is a federal case being presided over by a judge he appointed, so also curious how that isn't also bogus in that it's a conflict of interest. I know he's got like 3 different active state and federal cases going so take your time in answering.

[–] Umbra@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean, there are so many it's hard to begin. The one regarding his handling of secret materials is something every single high ranking official has done. To put it this way, if other politicians were treated with the same standards as Trump everyone would be under investigations and prosecuted.

[–] B_Larson@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Read the indictment. It says he specifically went behind his own lawyers' backs to remove the classified documents from where they were stored and moved them to his personal residence after they had already been subpoenaed. ...and then basically lied to his own lawyers. The prosecution is going to make the case that this was obstruction of justice.

[–] Umbra@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you show the class where another "high ranking official" kept top secret documents after the government asked for their return? Is the bathroom a valid storage place? Try to answer without consulting fox news.

[–] Umbra@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Heh
Hillary Clinton's private server was stored in a bathroom closet
https://theweek.com/speedreads/572465/hillary-clintons-private-server-stored-bathroom-closet

Also had her aides smash electronic devices with hammers and wipe computer hard drives with bleachbit. Even despite that the Comey investigation found classified stuff on the devices that they could get their hands on.

[–] astrsk@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You do know that destroying electronics is common and procedural for government device and data storage right? When they’re done with it there is a typical process involved for members of government to clean out the old equipment as required.

This unclassified NSA document details incineration of hard drives.

This is common, this is procedure.

[–] Umbra@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They did it after getting subpoenaed, iirc.

[–] Nutbane@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

That's not an accurate assessment of what happened. See here for a summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy#Deletion_of_emails

[–] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it illegal to have a private server? Guess I don't remember that part of the 600 investigations the Republicans tried running on her. Okay now do the election rigging one. Or how about the one where he's being accused of insurrection and treason for Jan 6?

[–] Umbra@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

It's illegal keeping classified stuff on it. Besides, they use it to avoid FOI and other nefarious purposes

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Other politicians return those materials when asked rather than try to hide them and lie about what they have.

Trump was given ample opportunity to return the materials without facing charges.

[–] Umbra@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that true? What do you mean given ample opportunity

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The National Archives were contacting him requesting the documents back for months before any charges were brought forth.

[–] Umbra@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

I'll read up on that

[–] Infinity187@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Read a book, buddy. Learn something instead of believing in a cult of personality.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wrong term, a witch hunt is an investigation that isn't based off evidence, there is a metric ton of evidence, witnesses, and admission of guilt.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

he’s literally on tape flaunting secret materials in front of unauthorized people…this level of cognitive dissonance is truly astounding.

conservative logic: trump is god and can do no wrong

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's literally the only republican that would get me and several of my friends to vote Biden again. The charges are all very legitimate, he's going to be convicted. It has nothing to do with him running for president again. I'd bet most of the DNC would love for him to be the candidate again. It's a near gauranteed win and would drive a ton of easy fundraising dollars.

[–] Umbra@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

I think he has a very high chance of winning