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Also, everything else aside, not until they stop doping all their fucking athletes.
The idea is the majority of their athletes are proven to be clean. There are definitely a decent number who got caught, and more scrutiny should be on Russia athletes than any other (Though all should be fully tested), but I believe it exposed only a subset of the Russian team was caught. 70 percent of the Russians were allowed to compete under the Olympic Flag.
Do I think IOC caught everyone who was doping? Of course not. Do I think every Russian was doping? I find that equally hard to believe.
Then again the fact it was only a four year ban for a state sponsored scheme? WTF.. but it just show IOC is still just one of the worst governing bodies in sports.
It's really sad.
East Germany was infamous for it too. After the wall fell, a lot of athletes found out they were infertile, developed bone diseases, developed cancers, some even changed sex. Roland Schmidt, a weight lifter, developed huge breasts. Shot putter Heidi Krug was forced to change sex.
Some of them knew they were doped. Others were doped against their will or even without them knowing. They took the vitamin pills the doctor gave them, that's all the knew. They were ofen literal children when it started, as young as 8.
I've heard rumors about this, and I doubt it. Especially when there was an American athlete who claimed that's what happened to her...
But I'm sure it has happened over history and my god that must be heart breaking, the people you put your full trust into has betrayed that and both put you are risk, but destroyed your credibility when found out. Fucking heart breaking.
East Germany was an authoritarian state with state controlled media and propaganda. They experimented on children for ideological and propaganda reasons. It's hardly surprising they'd lie to test subjects, when the programme was clandestine. The stasi files, and related court cases/verdicts, indicate as much. Those responsible invariably defended themselves, by saying it was legal and/or that they were forced to do it by the state.
Why would they tell guinea pigs the truth when they could lie? The DDR lied to its people on a daily basis. There were no consequences.
In an authoritarian state you are robbed of the freedom not to do things AND to think things. People were sentenced to years in jail for telling relatively mild political jokes or questioning the offical government line.
Hell, that's how the DDR made money. They'd arrest people, then West Germany would pay 40,000DM and they'd be sent to West Germany. Quite profitable.
Of course, there are likely athletes who did know they were being doped. They got away with cheating, won a medal, and get to pretend it was won fairly, despite many of East Germany's records not being broken to this day.
So if I pointed a gun at you and told you to rob someone with a fake gun... I hope you'd agree I should be in trouble not yourself. So if your correct (and you are) and these athletes were forced to by their government to use performance enhancing drugs (or not be part of the programs) why are you blaming the athletes instead of the government that forced them to do so?
The idea is actually that nearly every single one of their athletes are doping. It really is that bad, and they shouldn't be allowed to compete under any flag.
If you had proof of that, I'd suggest you publish it. Not just someone saying that, but actual verifiable proof of it.
I'm sure some people who were doping (remember many were forced to under their doping programs) weren't caught, but the big thing is there's limited proof to the size of it.
Then again, do you honestly 100 percent believe every other country's athletes are clean? There's many ways to "beat" the test, but experts guess it could be between 10-40 percent of the athletes who competed in 2020 might have been cheating with performance enhancing drugs... that's bad, but worse, the results can be so delayed they come a decade later due to new drugs, and new tests to detect it.