MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
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Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
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While yes, that is a thing. This is however literally a community meant to discuss this sort of thing.
This is my contribution to any discussion about Hexbear or Hexbear communities.
I'm a reasonable man and I'm willing to talk to anybody. But Hexbear and the communities it harbors are simply unbearable to me. I have no other instances and no other communities blocked.
Something I generally support as well. Though I'm lucky enough to not be Federated with 2/3 of the problem locally. It's just kind of out of place in a community like this is all.
IMO I agree with the sentiment but it serves a good purpose at indicating to errant users around what they should do regarding that instance.
I'm just fascinated by it though. I'm curious about human behavior, and I think the ways that people get themselves worked into a non-reality view of the world in a big community that all agrees about it is a highly relevant topic for the modern world.
I won't pretend to understand what's going on over there completely, but I'm interested enough in it that I want to be able to observe it. From a distance.
If you want to understand and observe there is the podcast 'Chapo Trap House' which you can look into. Hexbear quite literally originated from its fanbase, and makes their antics make a whole lot more sense.
I don't know... I appreciate the suggestion but that sounds a little closer to the sun than I want to fly.
You don't really need to listen to the podcast itself, but knowing about it is really useful. Essentially the whole schtick is being vulgar to trigger those who are unable or unwilling to challenge the status quo.
The podcast does it better than the derivative of its fanbase.
The other Hexbear thing is they don't have downvotes and encourage dogpiling in disagreement, which is a big cultural no-no for the redditor.
So the antagonization forms a feedback loop, understandably.
Hm. I have had people do that to me on Lemmy, quite badly. They'll argue in bad faith, and then I'll get irritated at them for it, and then they'll say they're just being wrong on purpose, so they can challenge the status quo, and if I'm irritated then they are succeeding. It just doesn't make sense to me. I just have never heard of a people's powerful movement that used that as the tactic, and had that type of thing be instrumental in its success.
There are plenty of people who've been extreme or shocking in their presentation to attract attention to the cause, without being abrasive cocks about it. The Yes Men did it, the Yippies did it. I did look a little bit into Chapo Trap House, and I definitely did like what little bit I read, so maybe you're right. I'm just so skeptical based on see what their fanbase is like.
Of course, I think almost anything effective on the American left at this point is going to get assailed by all kinds of glowies trying to divert the conversation into hostility, infighting, and impotence. Maybe the podcast format lets the authentic stuff speak, and anything online and anonymous with mass participation is just too porous a medium to keep those efforts out, and so it's inevitably doomed to collapse into Hexbear over time.
It is about breaking the default mindsets and forcing critical thinking into areas unallowed in most discourse. On one hand it does help people begin to dispel narratives people have been raised on. On the other hand it can just harden people against it and foster prejudices.
Most people I know in America willing to use the C and S word in politics know they will never achieve honest discourse in the current culture and climate. But that's been changing more in the last 10 or so years than I have ever seen, for what it is worth. But, like, Luigi has done more than a podcast, Hexbear or any instance in that regard.
That's the only instance I have blocked.
Just so much spam all over the all scroll..
It got old really quick.