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You sound like a troll who went to the anarchism community for the purpose of starting an argument. "Debate me bro" isn't a personality that should need to be supported by topic-focused communities.
By "troll" you mean someone who you disagree with?
I don't even know what his belief or the prevailing narrative of the community is. He sounds like a troll because what he described is trolling. He "came in", implying it was his first or nearly first post, and immediately wanted to "poke a hole in the narrative". That's classic trolling.
Sincerely expressing your actual viewpoint, which disagrees with the community's consensus viewpoint, is classic trolling? And then explaining why and asking questions about what people mean in their disagreements with you? You gotta update the urban dictionary and all, they've got it all wrong.
I'm a little hesitant to restart the drama, but if you're curious, here's what happened:
https://slrpnk.net/post/14823401
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/30753583/14479446
You can draw your conclusions about whether or not I'm a troll. I will take no questions and reply to no comments attempting to restart the debate. I do think it's semi-on-topic to discuss one specific instance of when this type of "you're not allowed to moderate that way" policy might have been a good thing, but an extensive argument about whether I should have been allowed to say those things in that specific instance is not.
I'm also fascinated to discover that the person who's been swearing to me recently that Wikipedia is evil, NATO is evil, Russia doesn't care about Greenland and Trump's desire to invade them is no big deal... was way, way back at the time when this happened, out stumping for the Green Party in the anarchism community and being protected by the mods while doing so. That is fascinating.
Every troll thinks they have a justification for it. They're fighting the good fight and "poking holes" in groupthink. Was that or was it not one of your first posts in the community? And were you or were you not going in to argue?
You literally have comments in the mod-complaint post about how you think anarchism is fundamentally flawed. You didn't go in there to understand anarchism or debate with fellow anarchists about what anarchism should be, you went in to argue for a political goal.
It doesn't matter if you were doing it for the right reasons. It also doesn't really matter if the mod was also posting for the wrong reasons. The pattern of going into a community to immediately debate them is classic trolling behavior. The various people who responded to you in the mod-complaint community told you all these things.
I was really trying not to get drawn into this. Maybe I am not strong enough.
I said I thought it had some fatal flaws. Then, two different people came out to tell me I was ignorant about anarchism. I allowed as how maybe I was, and asked them what I should read to learn more. Then I read it. Then I got back to them to say I liked it a lot, and on reflection made it clear that I was talking about a particular breed of faux anarchism, and not anything to do with the philosophy I was reading about in Kropotkin.
You know, like trolls do.
The exchange is here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/30753583/14477565
It's honestly kind of hard to remember, in internet spaces, that most people are reasonable. It's easy to misinterpret things or classify someone you're talking to as some kind of "enemy" of one breed or another, but most people can work past it. I talked about it in that comments section. At a certain point I made a realization that almost everybody there, even among people who were telling me I was wrong, were pretty civil about it. They said what they said, I said what I said, and we sort of moved on our separate ways having had the exchange. All good.
Then there were a very small minority of accounts where it had to be personal. It's not enough just to disagree and talk about it. Someone has to be "bad", and someone has to "win." People will start reaching for what the other person really meant to do, or how they really feel about things. It's like they can't let it resolve into anything positive; they have to "prove their point" and assign a bad belief or action to the enemy so they can succeed in their case that the other person is "bad."
I think that second type of argumentation is actually a small minority. I think they're just super loud and tend to dominate comments sections sometimes, because they trigger other people and trigger each other, and they never stop once they get started. Part of the reason I feel like defending myself here is that I do feel like it's relevant to look back at that comments section as a whole, and see how overall productive it is. (It also doesn't say what you think it says, although there is a minority that does think what you said, yes. Sort by top, read the top five comments, and you tell me what the consensus is.) The more that it is "You are trolling! You must shut up!", the less light and the more heat the overall exchange of words is going to generate.
The one thing I will allow, is that maybe I have a type of sarcasm and instant-disagreement that makes it easy for something to spiral into more of an argument than it needs to be, or cause way more friction than needs to be there. You can see some of that in the comments section too. I'm not doing it for the sake of trolling. I am very sincerely explaining what it is that I think, and why, and I'm generally listening for the counter-explanation. If someone makes a point that I think has a fatal flaw I will sometimes point it out in, I guess, a very mean and talking-down type of way. That part I can see, yeah, if that's what you're talking about, maybe you are right that I should not do that.
No. That's what is called a "discussion". As opposite to a "echo chamber".
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of remote psychology?