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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’m pretty sure Israel’s numbers exclude some lives.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

North American racial categories don't translate directly to the apartheid regime in Israel-Palestine. There are Jewish Israelis of colour and Muslim Palestinians who look like your average white person (cf. Ahed Tamimi).

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Israel is a Western settler-colonial project; it is racist as fuck.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I didn't say Israel is not racist. I said that north american norms of racist don't translate directly to Israel. It's just more nuanced than skin tone.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think a reaction image has space for that kind of nuance. Pointing that out seems pointless

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Israelis regularly use the n-word and attack black people. White supremacy is white supremacy.

[–] heretical_i@kafeneio.social -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Basing any kind of politics on genes in this context is regressive. Not interested.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don’t tell us, tell the Israeli state and other Zionists who are basing politics on genes.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

During Susan Abulhawa's recent brilliant takedown of Zionism in the Oxford Union, one person from the pro-Israeli side made a stink about being called a "white colonizer" when they were in fact Yemeni. Do you want to be able to respond meaningfully to such an argument or not? Painting the two sides as Israeli-White vs Palestinian-Brown is only playing into the hands of the Israeli propaganda, that claims Israel to be a diverse and inclusive society. So don't fucking do that. Acknowledge the simple fact that, Palestinians like Ahed Tamimi can also be blonde and blue eyed and still be at the bottom of the Israeli apartheid hierarchy. An Ethiopian Jewish Israeli is higher in the hierarchy than every Palestinian, because skin color is not the ultimate determinant in this particular system, jewishness is. It's not white supremacist, it's jewish supremacist and the two things are not exactly the same. I don't understand why pointing out the simple fact that American colorism does not fucking translate directly to the Israeli apartheid system is taken as controversial here.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

one person from the pro-Israeli side made a stink about being called a “white colonizer” when they were in fact Yemeni.

Just call them a kapo.

I don’t understand why pointing out the simple fact that American colorism does not fucking translate directly to the Israeli apartheid system is taken as controversial here.

Because zios are racist AF and regularly use the n-word.

[–] heretical_i@kafeneio.social -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a direct and appropriate CITED RESPONSE to your OPINION, buddy. @theacharnian @palestine #TrollAlert

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I am not sure I understand what the fuck you are talking about. #andWhatIsGoingOnWithTheHashtags

There is no such thing as "semite genes". If an Israeli claims right to the land based on "semite genes", that's a regressive. If a Palestinian does the same, that's regressive.

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

The hashtags are cause it's a mastodon account

[–] heretical_i@kafeneio.social -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

@theacharnian@lemmy.ca Johns Hopkins research. Bye idiot. Muted... Nah. Blocked as #troll

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

TL;DR American healthcare has middlemen extracting profit as a rule, and are the only developed country where that is the case.

But if we're judging the quality vs. cost of the healthcare itself, excluding people who won't be given healthcare because it's an apartheid state is fairly reasonable, because we're comparing the 'civilized' healthcare systems and their efficiency.

If you want to compare disparity in healthcare you're going to need a much more complicated matrix; comparing between class, ethnicity, and religion within a country, and then also between countries, would probably give you a better answer...and it would still end in America ridiculously overpaying for shitty healthcare.