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Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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I said something along the lines of:

"Wow, I haven't had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while."

Along with

"Nah, the more dead ~~corpos~~ dragons, the better."

In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.

...

Good ole' civility clause.

Whats the paradox of tolerance?

.world mods have never heard of it I guess.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

How does it feel sucking corporate, and status quo, cock for free?

BTW: יהוה‎, aka YHYW, aka Yahweh's original name is EL. He's a Canaanite god of War and Death. I'm pretty sure that this follower of Iehova, same god different name, would be pardoned by his "God."

Edit: in case you missed it, the letter "I" was the Latin language character for "J" until the 4th or 5th century.

I will be finding a new instance that actually encourages discussion, going forward since this instance is run by censors that do not like free speech

Edit 2: in case you also missed it another group changed EL's name to Allah, and a further group than that one declared that ELhovallah has said that science is more real than any "divine doctrine."

Fuck you, and fuck my god. He created entire communities that I probably should be chastising because most American Baha'i's are the "moderate white people" that MLK Jr. talked about so eloquently. They will say all the right things, but I have seen too often that they are merely talking. The saddest part is that because most of these people aren't white people, so when they get off their asses and do something, it's generally successful.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sorry for the big off-topic. I just can't help when it comes to etymology.

Edit: in case you missed it, the letter “I” was the Latin language character for “J” until the 4th or 5th century.

What changed around the 4th~5th centuries were sounds, not letters - the Latin words using the sound [j] (as in yes) were being pronounced with [d͡ʒ] (as in jazz). Even everyday words like iocus (game) or iam (already).

But people kept spelling them the same - you'd use "I" for [i ɪ j ʒ dʒ] (as in beet, bit, genre, jazz), and let context tell them apart. For any language using the Latin alphabet, not just Latin herself, as shown by Shakespeare:

The iniury of many a blasting houre;
Let it not tell your Iudgement I am old,

At most you'd flourish some "I" with a downwards curve, for easier reading; such as when you got 2+ "I" in a row. This mostly affects numbers (like XIII being spelled "xiij"), but also a few words like Old Spanish "fiio"="fijo" ("son"; modern Spanish "hijo").

Edit 2: in case you also missed it another group changed EL’s name to Allah

It's more like both sides changed it. Without going too much into detail:

  • the proto-Semitic word was around *ʔil or so
  • the Biblical Hebrew pronunciation of ⟨אל⟩ was probably [ʔil] too, even if Tiberian Hebrew would read the word as [ʔe:l] "El" instead.
  • Arabic "Allah" is most likely a contracted expression of [aɫiɫɫa:h]; [aɫ] is the article and the [aːh] a vocative. The underlying root is [ʔil]~[ʔill], spelled ⟨إِلّ⟩~⟨إِل⟩.
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well done on being both pedantic and informative. Yes you're absolutely correct on both points, I didn't feel the need to get that far into the weeds trying to explain that my own personal beliefs are tied into all of that historical pedantry. I just wanted to illustrate that such assholery is entirely possible by following the earlier ideas.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

Sorry for my burst of pedantry. I couldn't help it, I love to dig through the origin of the words.

...for a reason that is actually related to your Baháʼí faith: it shows that humans - those in the past, us in the present, and probably the ones in the future - are still the same. You see the same processes working on those words in the past as they do now.

[I agree with your main point. And I'm aware that what I said is unrelated to it, it's only marginally related to the example.]

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

BTW: יהוה‎, aka YHYW, aka Yahweh's original name is EL. He's a Canaanite god of War and Death.

The word "EL" was just a label, like the word "god" itself (which literally means "creator"), and not a name. It meant "mighty one" or "strong one".

For example, phrases translated as "God Almighty" is El Shad-dai.

When angels are referred to as the "sons of God" the original Hebrew is beneh' ha-Elo-him.

Elo-him is also used to refer to other gods, and even human judges in Israel.

There are many more examples of the etymology, but "EL" is not always referring to the God referred to by the tetragrammaton. And it never refers to the Hebrew/Christian God in it's singular isolated form. It always has a qualifier, like "God Almighty" (El Shad-dai).

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The main difference being that the other Canaanite gods didn't all have the EL prefix, in fact, he was the only one that had that prefix, and denominated him as the specific god of Death and War.

You can attempt to claim that isn't true, many biblical and judeaic scholars have attempted to claim the same thing. The archeological evidence doesn't support your claim

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

That doesn't change linguistics. As I mentioned, there are examples in the Bible of other things, including humans, that were referred to as El.

Another example is Ba'al. Ba'al was both a generic word for pagan gods as well as one specific god. But that doesn't mean so the various pagan gods were the same.

You also missed my point about the qualifier. The fact that the Canaanite god of death and war had no qualifier denotes a difference. The Hebrew/Christian God whose name is given as Jehovah in many translation, always has a qualifier with the word EL. Specifically qualifies like "God Almighty", Most High (el'yohn), and never appears in isolated form except when referring to others.

The word EL even makes up many biblical names like Dani'el (God is my judge), El'isha (God is salvation), and Micha'el (Who is like God?).

The fact that there was a Canaanite god whose name was just "god" means and proves nothing, other than if there ever was a name attributed to that god it was lost to time.

[–] Tristus@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

El means "the" as far as I know. As he is "the one" and it is not part of the name, it is the title, basically it is not "a(ny) god" its "the god". At least it was explained so to me from my bro, who "speaks" the old Hebrew. But I don't know why it is the discussion here. Isn't there better places to discuss etymology where there are people who speak the language?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

As far as I am aware, EL didn't mean "the" in Canaanite society or language. That happened later with the other tribes of the Canaanites forming completely different civilizations.