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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I'm familiar. I don't know how anyone on Lemmy would not be familiar with it by this point as it's one of the main go to justifications people use for treating others like shit.

An astoundlingly important quote from that very Wikipedia article you linked:

In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise.

(Emphasis mine)

I'll also point you at Daryl Davis, a black musician who managed to turn multiple KKK members by simply engaging with them as human beings.

My whole point being that when roughly half of the country voted for Trump, it is an absolutely insane idea to just decide it's ok to treat all of them intolerantly and also expect things to just magically change for the better. Feels like I'm taking crazy pills when everyone tries to self righteously justify not making any fucking attempt to reach these people and turn them.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

TL;DR;

Hyperbole and "black and white" thinking aren't a good foundation for claiming moral superiority.

I’m familiar. I don’t know how anyone on Lemmy would not be familiar with it by this point as it’s one of the main go to justifications people use for treating others like shit.

That's....certainly....one of the takes of all time.

I'm personally astounded you chose that particular quote, but i'll highlight an important part for you as well.

as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion

I personally wouldn't attribute "open to rational argument" and "kept in check by public opinion" as hallmarks of a majority of trump voters, but that's just me.

Daryl Davis, a black musician who managed to turn multiple KKK members by simply engaging with them as human beings.

A good example of a single person making a difference.

I'm genuinely not sure how you think this can be applied at scale, are you expecting all the people who didn't vote for trump to dedicate their lives to reforming the people actively trying to do horrible things to them.

My whole point being that when roughly half of the country voted for Trump,

Roughly half of the people who voted, but ok.

it is an absolutely insane idea to just decide it’s ok to treat all of them intolerantly and also expect things to just magically change for the better.

A few things:

"Just decide" implies it was a sudden decision with no lead up, that is incorrect.

Where are you getting the idea that people are expecting trump voters to magically change for the better?

It sounds like you would like them to, which is nice, but that's a broad generalisation for no citation.

My whole point being that when roughly half of the country voted for Trump, it is an absolutely insane idea to just decide it’s ok to treat all of them intolerantly and also expect things to just magically change for the better.

That's an extreme amount of projection.

Broadly claiming that everyone is the maximum amount of intolerant to anyone even slightly of the grouping you've specified is disingenuous at best, further claiming they are all doing this to magically change the minds of said group is equally ridiculous.

and further down :

self righteously justify not making any fucking attempt to reach these people and turn them.

If you genuinely think no attempts have been made up to now, I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but I'm sure it's an interesting story.

Self-righteous, like "nobody but me is doing the thing i think is right, in the way that i think is correct" ?

Feels like I’m taking crazy pills.

It feels that way because you've set up a catch-all scenario which encompasses your specific perspective and doesn't allow for perspectives that don't align.

If you remove the ability to handle nuance from your perspective then any nuance that arises will seem crazy.

Example of nuance.

"A non-trivial portion of this group of people have voted a specific way, with the understanding that doing so will materially endanger people i love, I have a limited amount of energy and I'm choosing not to spend it sorting through who are the 'saveable' bigots and instead direct that energy toward protecting my loved ones (and myself) from the consequences of their actions."