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[โ€“] spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We're talking about two different groups of people here. The working class trying to survive get a pass on individual actions because they have no means. They should probably vote and organize and get engaged to better their outcomes.

I'm talking about the millions of people that have the means, but just don't because they quite literally don't care. I see them every day. It's the millions of people buying new $60k trucks and SUVs every few years, and large suburban homes, and who have trash cans that are 5x the size of mine that still can't contain their mindless shopping detritus, and spend tons of money on trendy home furnishings but "don't think solar makes sense" or don't bother trying literally anything that reduces carbon.

I'm saying that giving millions of these people a pass because a billionaire is worse isn't helpful, and expecting these folks to magically work towards sustainable collective action when they spend their entire lives living the opposite of sustainability is simply not going to work. If you can convince neighbors to get heat pumps solar and give them a test ride on your ebike and show them how easy it is to live without gas you can probably get them to vote for someone that is focused on the climate. Sitting around you and your neighbors matching F150s blaming China and Bezos and speaking in abstract terms about "collective action" seems less effective to me.

Sorry for the rant!

[โ€“] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm saying that giving millions of these people a pass because a billionaire is worse isn't helpful

I'm not giving them a pass. I do my part, and I encourage others to do theirs. It's billionaires who are getting a pass. There's next to no consequence for large scale damage to the environment, if you're rich enough.

and expecting these folks to magically work towards sustainable collective action when they spend their entire lives living the opposite of sustainability is simply not going to work.

I one hundred percent agree, it's a tall task to get that undereducated, uncaring group to think about the environment.

What is a shorter task, is passing taxes, policies, and other financial incentives to make billionaires pay for the damage they're doing. Which in all likelihood, will come in the form of not offering all those horribly irresponsible products. Kills two birds with one stone.