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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] julianh@lemm.ee 74 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Don't get me started on ds9. A black captain? A trans lesbian officer? A gay interspecies couple? The federation using fear from war as an excuse to become a police state? Can't believe they made my colorful space communism show woke.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I can't be the only one who remembers Trekkies legitimately bitching about Tuvok because "Vulcans aren't black."

Like... really? You've been there and checked this out for yourself? Or is it that most (and not even all) of the handful of Vulcans you saw so far were white?

[–] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You know what really grinds my gears about Vulcans? According to Trek lore their blood is green because they evolved using copper atoms to bind oxygen in the blood. But if that were the case they should have hemocyanin, and their blood should be blue.

I know for a certainty, however, that any inhabitable worlds we might find in the future will definitely look like a sound stage populated with Styrofoam boulders

Anyway, hardcore fans are dumb. I should know, I was one

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

Not dumb, but it makes it impossible to love Star Trek for what it is. A goofy show that takes itself seriously about space socialism. And it's incredible at that.

[–] TrippaSnippa@lemm.ee 17 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Tuvok is the best depiction of a Vulcan in all of Star Trek too and I will die on this hill (Spock is half human, so I am not counting him). Tuvok seemed to me like he found humans (and Neelix) to be illogical, difficult to understand, and somewhat annoying; but nonetheless he couldn't help but like them as well, though he wouldn't admit that to them (tangential hot take: Vulcans claim to suppress their emotions, but they still make decisions based on emotion and rationalise them as being based on logic after the fact)

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Overall I like Tuvok as a character. My problem with Tuvok is they write him as if Vulcans have no emotion. He even says that.

Vulcans are supposed to have such strong emotions they need to constantly keep them under control and use logic to make decisions because the emotions cause them to make bad decisions.

I think that's a lot more interesting for a character. Nemoy said he played Spock as a guy who was constantly in wonder at things and keeping it under control.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

With few exceptions, they're also supposed to also have mastered their emotions very handily. Partly fue to exceptional biology. Not absolutely constantly be on the verge of breaking into tears or a rage, a la Enterprise.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 2 points 45 minutes ago

Sure. My problem with the writing is they write him like he doesn't understand emotions having never had the them. When it should be the opposite.

He should be more like an alcoholic who doesn't drink anymore. Still understands what it's like to be drunk or hungover.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 11 points 5 hours ago

Tuvok is black!?!?! I thought he was a Vulcan! I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is that Odo isn't a Shapeshifter?

[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 20 points 8 hours ago

A gay interspecies couple?

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