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[–] 7toed@midwest.social 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No informed voter thought Trump would be better for Palestine than Kamala

That doesn't change the dems abetting a regime currently committing a genocide. Don't forget over half the nation doesn't vote. It was never about changing already fixed or the elusive swing voters minds, it was about getting people out. Its a little harder to when the voter is aware of a moral conflict regarding their vote, regardless of your percieved political intentions of theirs. Are you doubting a significant amount of voters abstained? Because theres gotta be some reason trump had basically the same turnout while dems lost significantly.

It's not popular to say "I like hierarchy and I want to be on top". Many supporters of hierarchy claim they love "individual rights" when they really want privileges for themselves. That's the reason why some people love the "Bill of Rights" but hate equality.

I don't understand your point, is this in relation to conservative arabs?

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because theres gotta be some reason trump had basically the same turnout while dems lost significantly.

I made this point elsewhere but it was also far easier to vote in 2020 (in swing states especially).

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is true as well. My state still had mail in so personally I found it no more easier or difficult. Pardon for being shouldacouldawoulda, but in that case vote accessiblilty should've been a top priority for the dems after all of the 2020 bs.

In my humble opinion it was no larger a part than any other potential matter. I mean we're still counting and it has inched closer... nowhere to hope, but I genuinely believe if everyone turned out to vote, we wouldnt have to worry this stuff so much

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Pardon for being shouldacouldawoulda, but in that case vote accessiblilty should’ve been a top priority for the dems after all of the 2020 bs.

I think this really should be their goal, and they should trade things to get there. Like, who cares about needing an ID to vote, if you can use voter ID as leverage to get free national ID cards for everyone? (I'm not saying you can, but try?) Exchange president's day as a holiday for election day....make voting access an actual priority.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee -2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My point is, most people don't actually care about Palestine enough to sway their votes. Same with most genocides. People don't like them but think other issues are more important. People care about issues that affect them directly. If they're not voting, it means they don't think a decision will affect them (rightly or wrongly).

Conservative Muslims (not Arabs, they're different) mention Palestine as a distraction. They were always going to vote Republican because they are conservative and have conservative values.

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes they do, and the votes speak for themselves. How is anything more important then genocide? Your comment is racist and disgusting.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

8.6% of Biden voters didn't show up for Kamala. That's hardly "most"... In fact it seems like a pretty reasonable percent of the left who might actually care more about the morality of their vote than any other concern. Those are the people we're talking about.

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago

[Demographic] is always going to ____ because they are ___ and have ___ values.

So, fill in the blanks with the most abhorent shit you can garner, I've got to listen to some nice vitriol myself. You see why generalization, is very much a slippery slope?

If you ever care to be a voice of reason and possibly convince people to vote in their own best interest despite being inundated with propaganda against so, then you will learn something from this.