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Ukraine’s military intelligence reported finding Western-made components inside Russian decoy drones, used in recent swarm attacks to overwhelm Ukrainian air defenses.

Dubbed “Parody,” these decoys are cheaper than Iran’s Shahed-136 drones but can mimic their radar signatures, creating fake targets to distract defenses.

Russia reportedly launched over 2,000 drones last month, half of which were decoys, with some crashing in Moldova, raising regional security concerns.

Despite sanctions, Western technology continues to appear in Russian weapons, complicating efforts to restrict Moscow’s drone capabilities.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 27 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Israel’s been illegally selling weapons to Russia for quite a while. But all of the people who could do anything about it are afraid to hold Israel accountable.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

russia doesn't need Israeli help to get access to American parts

All the way back in the Cold War the Soviets had a governmental department specifically to source parts from the West that was blocked off to sanctions. They have decades of experience creating shell companies, intermediaries, etc.

if someone wants to do more research the parent organization was "First Main Directorate of the Committee for State Security under the USSR council of ministers" and the department was called "Directorate T: Scientific and Technical Intelligence" sometimes referred to as just "Line X"

so basically the Russians have had many decades of experience circumventing sanctions and export controls. The Russians, while a shell of the former USSR, still have a lot of the human capital and base of experience in this regard.

I remember reading an article on Reuters or Washington Post or something where apparently even after sanctions, the Russians are getting roughly 90% of the high-tech components they were getting before the war. So the sanctions have hurt, but by a marginal amount. I think it's this article: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/western-industrial-components-rebuilding-russias-military-2024-08-16/ but Reuters is now paywalled for me

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 16 hours ago

russia doesn’t need Israeli help to get access to American parts

But it sure helps.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Is this a hasbara attempt to deflect from the fact that Israel is selling weapons to Russia?

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

if you look at my history it isn't particularly pro-israeli

it's just that in this specific context, I don't think it's as significant as it may seem on first reading. Israel has had a long relationship of cooperation with Russia. Although lately things have gotten more tense between the two, with Iran and Russia becoming closer. Iran is Israel's mortal enemy and Russia supplying money and tech transfer over in exchange for Shaheeds is a big no-no for them

so while yes, there probably are pro-Russian elements in the Israeli state that have probably helped Russia circumvent sanctions and export controls.. the brunt of their materials probably comes from China, from European sources, and maybe even American companies themselves.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What is that “probably” based on?

Israel has a history of arming their enemies and extremists to intentionally destabilize the region. They founded and materially supported Hamas, even as they fired rockets into Israel, in order to undermine peaceful secular groups.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

not saying they don't do all of that. read the reuters article i linked before. or this one: https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/03/why-russia-has-been-so-resilient-to-western-export-controls?lang=en

russia does not need israel. they have complex and sophisticated systems that these days use China a lot but they don't even need China. it's sometimes impossible to tell whether you're selling your microwaves to a russian company or not. it'll look like a legit company, and then it gets somehow routed to russia and they use the microchips or whatever.

all i'm saying is

a) it doesn't need Israel's help for this.

b) israel doesn't have the industrial capacity (small country, gdp only $500B) the geopolitical position for it (they are a tool of US interests and would not meaningfully harm US interests) and the domestic will for it (again, russia is friends with Iran, Israel's mortal enemy)

there absolutely are parts of the government that will support Russia. Almost half of Israelis speak Russian and have connections to that area. So yeah, of course. But from a top-down directive it's doubtful

notice i'm not denying Israel does not supply extremists. i'm specifically referring to this russia-israel dynamic

yes, israel supports extremists. they have a very advanced intelligence system and do all sorts of crazy shit. they're wild. i agree

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Israel would not meaningfully harm US interests?! Bahahahha!

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Israel & the US are more or less one and the same. if i remember correctly, 98% of representatives in congress last election cycle was endorsed by the AIPAC

there's a reason we can only vote for pro-Israeli politicians. Israel projects US power in the mideast

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Yes, and the Americans did it as well