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[–] hark@lemmy.world 77 points 4 days ago (5 children)

People need motivation to vote. A selective tax credit or "other guy bad" simply isn't enough. You can complain all you want about how stupid people are for not voting against fascism, but if you cannot face the reality of voters and how to get them to vote then how much smarter can you really call yourself over others? This is a lesson that apparently needs to be learned every election yet never seems to be learned.

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

One of my team members is based in the US, and he told me after the election: "The media told us all about how bad Trump was. But nobody ever told us how good Kamala was." I guess voting only for the lesser evil has its limits.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Honestly not even Kamala said how good she was, most of what she was asked she immediately turned into "Trump bad".

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 7 points 4 days ago

Honestly a lot of the questions in interviews were she did that, she was given a tough question that had the easy out of taking the more progressive stance but instead of giving a firm answer she'd attack Trump, presumably because she didn't want to be too "radical" in supporting policies that voters generally like

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Progressive issues poll astronomically high across dems, repubs, and independents. Find one. Say you will do it, and people will come vote for it.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Won't anyone think of the Super PAC donors? /$

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 8 points 4 days ago

The problem also is that there was quite a bit of voter intimidation of people with Trump flags heavily armed in some places "to make sure it's a fair election", Trump supporters choosing violence, and other issues like ballot boxes being burned, and ballots not coming to people preventing them from voting.

This could help explain why 10 million less votes happened this year for the Democrats because they could have been fearful of voting or just unable.

(And this also doesn't include mailing ballots just being refused to be counted over simple issues as signatures not looking close enough to what's on file.)

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Truly spoken.

Lot of pro-status-quo sentiment on Lemmy. The election is over too so bots might not be as high, a potential indicator of actual sentiment of Lemmings.

Have to keep pushing this else nothing ever changes

[–] Wahots@pawb.social -5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Oh, the Republicans will give them a reason to vote, just wait a bit and see, lol. If Republicans deregulating banks caused a "great recession", I'm very curious what voters just bought for us by voting for a platform of deregulating everything.

No, I think people will enjoy the taste of curb and a swift kick to the head for the next 4-8 years. It really puts things in perspective.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And that'll work exactly once, just like it did in 2020. Then after four more years of compromising with fascism, it won't work again, and they'll lose to the greater evil.

Just kidding, we're not going to have real elections again.

[–] babybus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.

Absolutely. One Russian opposition politician described Putin's first term by saying: "We thought we could get rid of him in the next elections." But that didn't happen as we know. When someone comes to power and quickly removes checks and balances, it becomes very difficult to reverse that. Democracy is not guaranteed, even in the US.