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[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 42 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Quite interesting to see which news org tells which side of the story

Seems the two parties obviously clashed, but hard to say who really started.
Probably both sides pushed each other into escalation.

But so many news stations reported only about anti semitic attacks and left out the shit the Israelis did - and here the other way round.

At least it's easy now to see which news org is biased to which side - although for most of them it was pretty much clear and in the open already

[–] andrewrgross 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think people should also be aware that Israeli football culture is notoriously violent and nationalist. Even by Israeli standards.

[–] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is there a football culture that isn't? I just usually hear about bananas being thrown at black players and chants that they go home or other stuff like that.

If there's a football culture out there that doesn't regularly descend into horrible hooliganism, I'd like to know which one it is so I can pretend to know about them when people ask me if I like the sport.

[–] andrewrgross 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've heard of at least one: believe it or not, Hapoel Tel Aviv F.C..

They're a socialist Israeli football club popular among leftist Israeli Jews and Arab Israelis. Famously, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, the American-Israeli hostage who was killed in Gaza in August was among their fans.

As you can imagine, they face a pretty hostile environment throughout Israel these days.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

It depends. You have clubs that give consecences for this kind of behaviour and clubs that downplay and ignore it. You have fan scences where these people are a small minority and you have scences where they dominate.

It is never black or white, but a spectrum. In the case of Maccabi fans it is a very dark shade from what i have read now. Especially as they have many ties with the IDF and are openly celebrating the crimes if not partaking in them personally

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, football hooligan stuff was always quite low level insult and physical injure stuff...

Just like current politics.
Nobody cares about facts anymore, it's just about my team or fucking up the opponent team.

And that's what I'm criticising.
We need to get back to a social level of political discussion, and not just flag raising and emotional bullshit

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