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Take a minute to read that headline again. You got Trump for this now, because you insisted to everyone to accept that headline, those deaths, that 'better than this' just isnt an option. You wouldnt permit people that care about life, that oppose genocide somewhere else to go. So they went nowhere, because genocide is not an option.
And yet accelerated genocide is the option that was chosen.
Look, I get the argument you're making. The problem is that it hinges entirely on accepting a premise that isn't based in reality. Progress, specifically as it relates to harm reduction, doesn't happen instantaneously. It never has. You take the wins you can get and then push for the next step. You can be mad about that, and I would argue that we all should be, but it's not going to change the way things work. In this case you've let idealism get in the way of actual tangible improvement. Even if you disagree with that characterization you can't dispute the fact that you've at least helped shut the door on the potential for improvement. If you can find a way to rationalize that in your head to make you feel like the good guy then I understand why you would want to take that path, but do you honestly believe the people of Gaza take solace in the fact that you had good intentions? I'd wager they don't give a shit how you frame this in your mind. They're just thinking about what a Trump presidency means for the future of this conflict and that isn't good by any stretch of the imagination.
This is deranged. Progress? Improvement? What did Kamala say she would do differently? Did she say she'd stop sending weapons and financial assistance?
What did Kamala say she would do differently? You cant keep talking about progress and improvement without any signs of either. The only potential for improvement we have is a progressive candidate
I believe she would have been marginally better than Biden but, as you continuously refuse to acknowledge because it completely defeats the point you are trying to make, that is not what we're discussing here. Trump is indisputably going to be worse than either of them and that's what you have chosen to support through inaction. You can talk in circles around that fact as much as you like but it won't change reality.
You were the one that brought up progress and improvement. But those words have meanings, and its not keeping things the same. Things are currently unacceptable for a lot of people, and everyone here told them to hush up about demanding better. And so they hushed up and stayed home.
Netanyahu was filibustering the peace process hoping for Trump to win while he ran out the clock. If he, like Putin, were forced to deal with Harris instead of Trump over the next four years his attitude would've changed after the results were announced.
Filibuster? Man that asshole doesnt have a filibuster, he has absolutely zero authority over whether or not we send him weapons and financial assistance.
Why would his attitude have to change with Harris vs his current attitude with Biden? Did she say she was gonna stop sending weapons and money? She was pretty adamant about being a continuation of Biden as far as I saw
Because Biden and Harris and various other Democrats wanted peace and were genuinely concerned about the people in the region caught up in the conflict. Trump gives absolutely no shits about any of it and neither do Republicans who will allocate the funds because that's how our government works.
Oh they were sending the genocidal nation a ridiculous amount of bombs and missiles for peace. Makes sense.
No, they were trying to have peace talks with Netanyahu for peace.
Netanyahu was able to successfully run the clock out on them, and now they have close to zero leverage because even if Biden single-handedly impounded the funds for Israeli aide, they still have plenty of powder left to blow through and Trump will resume the flow of aide in two months.
no??
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/blinken-approves-sale-israel-military-equipment-worth-over-20-bln-2024-08-13/
Lol quite the counterargument. 😆
Oh well, you've gotten your way Harris lost to Trump. I'm sure you'll badger his supporters and push on him to end the war peacefully and won't just spend all of your time writing up new Democrats bad and libs bad posts on lemmy.
Yeah, its proof that democrats are sending bombs and missile to Israel.
Nobody needed proof.
Apparently you did because you said no
You can be doing two things at once.
Obviously, war aide isn't "for peace" which is what I was saying no to.
But who cares? You got your way nobody wanted to vote for Harris. Enjoy the celebration.
Can you say that again but this time understand what you're saying? That you are talking about giving a genocide committing country all of the weaponry it is using to commit said genocide. And somehow you also hold the opinion that those same people continuing to give the genocide committing country heavy explosives actually want peace.
Well at least Gaza is safe now. Good job.
Its devastated already, under Biden
Yes it is. It's the one you got. Congrats on maintaining your ideological purity. It's going to be quite a show.
The ideological purity of
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Thanks we will take it.
Which got you
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More genocide.
It was more genocide with Kamala. Genocide is not an option.
Dude, you just have problems.
Enjoy your super-genocide.
super genocide he says. Damn they just called what Hitler did regular genocide.
And I guess you not voting dems totally did anything fucking productive for the cause.
You are an idiot. You are a self-centered moron for laser-focusing on a single issue and nothing else. Your moral choice has failed not only you, but everyone else aswell.
And now everyone has to pay for America's dumbfuckery. Not just Gaza.
Also not endorsed by people with the red line.
The genocide thing really is not the gotcha you think it is.
I dont know what 'yes it is' is in response to.
Your bloody avoidance for voting anyone has led not only to Gaza getting flattened, but also women's rights, lgbt rights, any form of medical care, Ukraine, and the climate.
The blood is on your fucking hands now. At least Kamala would have seen reason and you could probably have talked to her/her party about Israel.
Good luck with fucking ignorant Trump, who won't even listen when a woman says no to him.
But thank God you didn't vote for anyone doing genocide! I will feel so relieved you did that when Russia has a border with my fucking country
You are describing things that have already happened, are current events, all under democrats, and them promising more of the same.
I did vote, for the candidate that opposes the genocide.
Since when are democrats the ones pushing abortion bans? Since when are they the ones wanting to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord? Since when are blue states the ones banning books that contain any mention of queer people?
From my knowledge blue states have been doing anything but those things. It's red states that are doing all sorts of shady shit, and it's Trump literally saying he will: -Withdraw the U.S. from the Climate Accord -Appoint RFK as head of medicine -Get rid of education department -Withdraw spending in Ukraine and talk to his lover Putin -Increase tariffs on EU which in turn will just hurt U.S. economy
you can blabber all day about how democrats are doing X Y Z wrong, but Trump is doing all of that PLUS more and way worse. No one likes this man, not even his own party members.
But I guess the best way to deal with a truck about to hit you is to close your eyes and hope for the best
Roe got overturned. Climate change is continuing to accelerate and democrats did a lot to make that happen, thats a long discussion though.
Again, I voted. I dont care that you think that a vote for a progressive candidate doesnt count, i took action.
The American education system has failed you. I'm assuming by "a progressive candidate" in this case you mean a third party, but in a first-past-the-post voting system, voting third-party is a protest vote. At best, people voting third-party shows that voters don't have confidence in the major parties, but at worst it helps your least preferred of the two major parties win the election because you're not begrudgingly voting for the candidate you hate less. A third-party president is an unimaginable upset.
But if you're not living in a swing state nobody cares how you vote for president anyway. Hopefully you got a good option for Congress in the primaries. That's the only thing I had any chance of influencing at a federal level for this election cycle. I'm not in a swing state and in the final election I only got one option for senate and all one candidate could say was that they weren't the other candidate.
None of this is news to me, i know how shit FPTP is and thats why i support getting rid of it. While everyone else that hates it for some reason insists on keeping it.
I don't think you understand. This election wasn't about expressing your moral superiority by not voting for Genocider A or Double Genocider B
This election was about preventing Double Genocider B from winning. You could only do that by voting Genocide A and sucking up the morally fucked choice. You failed, miserably. Had you voted for A, in 4 years you would have had the chance to happily vote for any third fourth or fifth party your heart desired. Good luck with that now when Trump brcomes God King.
Good fucking job on wasting your vote away and letting both Ukraine and Palestine get fucked. And the climate.
You are a fucking imbecile
For me, the election was about preventing genocide. Again, it is not an option for me.
I get told this every 4 years. Its always next election.