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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 27 points 1 week ago (47 children)

But that party is not coming back except as a token now because people just didn’t think stopping the rapist fascist dictator was a good enough reason to vote

"The party didn't think stopping the rapist fascist dictator was a good enough reason to listen to their voters"

FTFY

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (46 children)

Nope. They can't force anyone to vote for them. People thought not voting was a better plan than stopping the rapist fascist dictator when they only had two possible choices.

There was an absolute mountain of evidence that Trump would be a disaster. They didn't vote anyway because they knew they weren't going to get a pony.

Voting for people in a two-party system is the stupidest thing you can do because you will never get your way with any one politician. So you vote against and keep voting against until you get closer and closer to what you want.

Just not voting or voting for third party candidates that will clearly lose against someone who has an automatic 30% of the vote doesn't stop the worst possible thing from happening and it never will.

If you didn't vote to stop Trump from getting into office, I blame you. You had warning after warning and your idealism was more important to you.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 29 points 1 week ago (40 children)

They can’t force anyone to vote for them.

Yup, which is why you need to give them reason to vote.

Democrats have been parading around "most important election of our lifetime" for fucking years - don't be surprised that it didn't work yet again.

The reason why Trump is popular is because there is legitimate pain and struggle in the working class, and he affirmed that pain and struggle (even if he was misidentifying the source of that pain). Telling voters "things are good, actually, and the other guy is gonna ruin it" is just dumb.

Democrats didn't run on popular policy and they got destroyed because of it.

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Who said “things are good actually”?? Seems to me that Harris had plenty of policy proposals that would have resulted in a meaningful improvement to the bottom line of the average American.

Biden has also been better for the average American than trump was. For fucks sake, Trump actually got away with raising taxes on all of us to support his tax cut for the rich, simply because the average person is too low information to grasp the idea of a tax cut that expires!

So yeah, plenty of actual reasons to say that one candidate is better than the other, without needing to be wowed by an actual messiah who can dismantle our fucked up system and solve everybody’s problems.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 11 points 1 week ago

They repeatedly touted our economic recovery was 'the best in the G6'.

Even when our economy is 'good' it's shit for most people. That's the problem with being a neoliberal status quo party: it doesn't help most of the people they need to vote for them

[–] toddestan@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Regardless of what Biden has done for the average American, his approval rating has been really bad for a while now. It may not be right or fair, but that's what it is.

Despite Harris not actually being the incumbent, the Republicans managed to associate her with Biden and she more or less embraced it. Then the Republicans were able to frame themselves as the challenger to an unpopular incumbent president and it's not surprising they did well.

Of course, it didn't help either that Harris is the VP either. Perhaps if we had a primary and managed to pick another candidate that could distance themselves a bit better from Biden things would be different.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Biden did very early and then learned to not say that again.

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