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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

The thing that's most baffling to me is how the difference in ground game had zero impact. We were pounding the pavement, doors got fuckin knocked. The GOP did less than zero, firing their entire staff responsible for in-person outreach and gave 100 million to PACs run by grifters who put it directly into their own pockets.

Unless we've missed a trick, retail politics as it has existed is dead.

[–] korydg@awful.systems 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm seeing some takes now that the ground game did make a difference of a couple of points in the swing states, where it was concentrated, it's just that that wasn't enough.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 4 points 6 hours ago

Not enough for the presidential race, sadly; perhaps enough to scrape by with a few Senate victories.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dem talking heads spending so much energy courting moderate conservative votes was an excellent way to demobilise their base. They really gave their all to lose an election that should have been a free win.

[–] ShakingMyHead@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This wasn't a free win, however. The reason Harris took over in the first place was because Biden's performance in the debate was poor enough that the Democrats thought there was no longer any chance with him, and this was already with lowering approval ratings. Had he stayed, I bet Trump's victory would have been even wider.

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

Definitely, there was no coming back from that debate.

I mean, I don't think it was unreasonable to expect liberals to show up against someone who's sole policy proposals were mass deportations and political reprisals, and so I can understand the logic of focusing on the center (which in US politics means center-right).

But this being the democratic party, they also couldn't commit to an actual narrative to make that play. Rather than "look at their ties to Big Tech!" or even sticking with "look how weird these people are!" they had to go hat-in-hand and stake themselves to divisive (to say nothing of abhorrent) policies because that's the only connection they could try to make. I think we're seeing a major problem with the whole "big tent" concept.

[–] ShakingMyHead@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It was twitter. Elon Musk joins Trump's team. What happens? Harris' chances begin to drop.
Trump did lose support, but there was probably enough propaganda on Twitter to make enough people go "both sides" and just sit out the election.

[–] self@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

and of course, Twitter and Facebook style influence campaigns work just as well or even better elsewhere, in communities that haven’t hardened themselves against that type of bullshit

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

2/3 of regular users don't use adblock, cambridge analytica may be disbanded as a company, but the approach they made still is a thing

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

IDK, do you really think twitter still has that much cultural relevance? ugh

I'm sure it played a part, though.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

Given that Trump lost votes compared to 2020, I think it's past the peak of its relevance. Not many new people are entering the self-referential echo chamber. It's one of the main vectors for crypto and meme stock scams, as well as the main vector for Musk himself. When all those promises are broken once again, fatigue will start to set in among the bluechecks. It may linger, but it will be a spent force by the end of the decade. Keep up social pressure to get people to leave.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

facebook is still big somehow and i see no reason why shrimp jesus irradiated brains of boomer population would be not susceptible to it like it was still 2016

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

Ten years ago, I naively thought that people might grow a sort of mental callus against online bullshit. Big L for me! Turns out that there's no such thing as magical self-assembling media literacy.