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[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, yes they did. Democrats introduced the Green New Deal for fuck sake

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And their centrist wing managed to completely kneecap it. The same centrist wing that ran Kamala's campaign.

How has US fossil fuel production been cut back AT ALL from any Biden or Harris policy?

Yes, I know you can blame it on Manchin. The problem is that there's always a Manchin. The Democrats take turns being the sacrificial lamb, and they can always find some conservative Dem to kneecap any serious Democratic proposal.

Voters don't give two shits about what your party introduces. Parties introduce all sorts of policies they have zero intention of passing for easy political points all the time.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can't cut back fuel production and win elections in this country

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And look where that type of thinking has got us. Democrats don't run on any meaningful bold policy positions, as there's always some needling centrist saying why this or that will never be politically viable.

Trump doesn't run this way. Deporting 20 million people has all sorts of practical, legal, fiscal, and political issues with it. No rational or sane professional political consultant would say that it's a winning strategy. Yet, time and time again, Trump proves that things that all the political consultants and experts would be political suicide, are in fact anything but.

Democrats give up before the fight even begins. They accept Republican framing and Republican ideas on what is politically possible. They run as Republican-lite, and they lose again and again because of this.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you're saying Democrats should say stupid shit that appeals to the deep seated bigotry embedded in our national culture?

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a clear bad-faith interpretation of what I posted. Try improving your reading comprehension skills.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 weeks ago

If there's subtext to what you posted then maybe post that instead.

Claiming the Democrats don't have bold ideas and then bringing up one of Trump's stupid claims as an example of what Democrats should be doing doesn't leave much room for another interpretation.

Maybe work on your communication skills if you can't post what you mean