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I think cigarettes should be put behind a prescription wall. If you are addicted, a doctor can help you quit. In the mean time, they can make sure you keep having the nicotine delivery system you're used to.
And then what about everything outside of that ridiculous context? Arrest people for possession of a plant? That's always been a good idea.
Tobacco is important to people. If you ban it, there will be a black market. Especially for something like a plant that can simply be grown.
What are you even talking about? I didn't say anything about banning it.
You're talking about making it a prescription drug only allowed for cessation purposes. That sure sounds like a ban on recreational use to me. What happens when someone without a prescription is caught with tobacco under this system you're proposing? What makes this preferable to just letting people smoke?
You said nothing about recreational use. But something that overloads the healthcare system and costs a ton of money should not be allowed freely for recreational use.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/2023/12/hospital-admissions-due-to-smoking-up-nearly-5-per-cent-last-year-nhs-data-shows/
https://ash.org.uk/media-centre/news/press-releases/smoking-costs-society-17bn-5bn-more-than-previously-estimated
A fine. Like many things that people do that are illegal. Are you under the bizarre impression that the only possible thing you can do to someone who commits a crime is imprison them?
It helps them quit. Which is good. See above, re overloading the healthcare system and costing a ton of money.
You’re replying to an American. So, yes.
If it's a fine then it's effectively only illegal for poor people -- unless the fine scales with wealth
Like Finland’s speeding fines. That’s reasonable.
I didn't say anything about imprisoning people. Any legal consequence for possession of a plant is too far.
It leverages a nanny state that forces people to quit whether they want to or not.
When British taxpayers are the ones paying for the smokers' illnesses, whether or not they personally want to quit is not the issue. You do know how socialized medicine works, yes? British nonsmokers should not have to foot the bill when they get emphysema or lung cancer.
I don't know why you think they should.
Universal healthcare doesn't give you license to police everyone else's lifestyle to your preferred level of health-consciousness.
Costing the British taxpayers money for the sake of your disease-causing pleasure is some real nonsense. If you want to argue that smoking-related diseases should be exempt from the NHS, fine. But you want to have your cigarette and smoke it too.
I suppose i wouldnt oppose a ban like that in theory, but because doctors rnt omniscient, in practice, you'd end up with either, smokers not being treated for illnesses completely unrelated to their smoking, or non smokers not being treated because doctors think its related to smoking. I mean how could u tell for 100% certain someone is a smoker, I can bet theres smokers out there w still perfectly white teeth etc and non smokers whos lungs r black from car exhausts. Is it really worth letting a non smoker die js because you dont wanna pay for the smoker too? Its hardly like people r gonna be honest abt smoking when they won't get free healthcare for it
Of course not, but that's the only option that allows people to enjoy their cancer sticks and not have everyone else pay for the cancer.
So ud genuinely rather non smokers die than let smokers get medical care? I feel like I have to be reading this wrong thats a bit psychopathic to admit that once someones smokes u actively dislike them so much ud be okay w collateral damage to prevent them getting medical care
No, I said what I would genuinely rather. I would genuinely rather have doctors wean people off of cigarettes by putting them behind a prescription barrier instead of cost rate payers huge amounts of money in the future because of some libertarian "I should be allowed to do whatever I want and fuck everyone else" bullshit.
I feel like cigs on prescription is a fast way to get an oxy-like black market. You'd have people faking prescriptions to sell those cigs most likely to people who smoke more than the doctor wants them to or js children. Denmark is an example of a country which banned disposables yet a lot of teens still vape there they js buy em from dealers instead of stores thus increasing the danger for them
Then what's your solution to stopping the overloading of the NHS and costing British rate payers billions of pounds due to smokers?
Tax smokers more and use that money to pay for it it also works as a passive deterrent to stop smoking.
Edit: looking up the numbers it seems they could already pay for any nhs costs that appear solely from the taxes on tobacco so thats not an issue your getting mad at nothing idk what to say except live and let live
What specifically gave you the idea that any of this had to do with anger? I'm not angry at people who are addicted. I think they are placing an unfair burden on the system.
I think people who believe that smoking is some sort of human right, which is where this started, are extremely silly though.
Also, please show me the numbers you looked up.
Look it up urself I'm on holiday and its a been a day they werent hard to find
It's not my job to prove you aren't lying.