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[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The country of ... Puerto Rico??

A nation perhaps but why TF is he calling it a country

[–] mc900ftJesus@lemy.lol 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Because no one calls where they live a nation? Country is the generic people term for place you live, we don't care about the legal distinctions and specifications.

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's less of a legal distinction and more of a definition thing. He is objectively using the wrong word.

It would not be incorrect to refer to the people of Puerto Ricans as a nation by the definition of the word. The word nation does not refer to a place but a group of people.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Both words refer to both concepts.

country

  1. A nation or state. 
  2. The territory of a nation or state; land. 
  3. The people of a nation or state; populace.

nation

  1. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country. 
  2. The territory occupied by such a group of people.
  3. The government of a sovereign state.
[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This definition is not fully correct. A nation does not need to have a government. For example the Kurds

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes but my point is that he’s not using the wrong word.

Edit: also Kurdistan exists

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Kurdistan doesn't really have a central government like that, nor fixed or well defined borders. Keep in mind that the concept of a "Nation State" is really only a couple hundred years old.

If that counterexample doesn't satisfy you, then Somalia should. It is a country without a functioning government, which has two nations inside of them of the northern and southern Somalians which are completely different, and neither of which have any sort of unifying government.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s your point though, isn’t it?

The “people” and the “territory” are not the same thing, but both words “country” and “nation” are used more or less interchangeably to apply to either.

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The words country and nation are absolutely not interchangeable, no matter how lay people use the terms.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

You’re a prescriptivist then I take it.

[–] mc900ftJesus@lemy.lol 1 points 2 weeks ago

They used the right word in common speak, any other word would feel out of place.