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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently no one in the comments has been paying attention. She's been saying these same lines about Gaza since the convention speech.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

There's been a lot of FUD about it and .ml has been running wild denying anything even remotely pro peace from her.

At any rate literally all we need at this point is a president that tells Netanyahu he either accepts a negotiated return of remaining hostages and withdraws or he loses our weapons support.

But Biden is also doing his best to pump up their ammo supply so the next president actually doesn't have the influence Biden could have had. It's 2024 and I'm ashamed we didn't learn from supporting South Africa and Iran into the flames. They've been shamelessly giving Israel our best military technology with no regard to their political situation. College students called this as the most likely path 2 decades ago, and here we are appearing to be caught by surprise.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Fun fact, there's a 2008 law that specifically forces the president to give Israel all the best military hardware.

It was passed by W on his way out the door, and due to the Democratic party being compromised as hell, there's never been enough votes to get rid of it, and any time the president might want to hold things back, they get sued under that law.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Biden and Obama both could have used the leahy law on day one. We have evidence going that far back that Israel systematically commits war crimes, including occupying Palestine in an illegal manner. To be clear there is a way they could have done it legally. But things including extending their own, civilian, legal system into the occupied areas preclude it being legal.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It’s 2024 and I’m ashamed we didn’t learn from supporting South Africa and Iran into the flames.

We did learn. Just all the wrong lessons. Iran taught us that you can ride a wave of hate for 50 years. South Africa taught us that you crack down on the BDS movement day one and keep the media on lock for your Apartheid friends.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

I hate that you're right. I want to live in a country that's actually moral.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

There’s been a lot of FUD about it and .ml has been running wild denying anything even remotely pro peace from her.

Maybe they lived through an election before and actually developed a theory of politics that incorporates the lessons they learned in a way that implies they were not born yesterday

Perhaps they pay attention to the words that come out of the other side of her mouth instead of selectively listening in a way that allows you to project whatever you want to believe onto her

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Yup I was born yesterday, and I'm wholly incapable of reading.