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  1. Mod of !anarchism@slrpnk.net posts a great Greta Thunberg quote, but then tries to use it to justify not voting in the upcoming US election
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Using your mod powers to decide who is allowed and not allowed to speak is not very anarchist of you, @mambabasa@slrpnk.net

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, but if your system is anarchist, those are exactly the kind of people who are going to wind up running things.

There’s a lot of overlap between anarchism and good sense. I’m not trying to be snarky about it. But it does seem that it has a couple of fatal flaws, and that is one. You could say that the early anarchists and the American founding fathers both identified the same types of failure modes in government and societal hierarchy, and where the founding fathers came up with a flawed system that nonetheless made a sincere effort to design a society of free individuals who could each live their lives in a pretty anarchist-friendly fashion, while still taking account of the realities of power and how to mitigate the problems of it… the anarchists just decided, “If we don’t pay attention to these problems then they won’t exist, much easier.”

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's... more complex than that. You should pick a more serious anarchist's brain. They do consider these problems.

Personally, I think the term 'anarchy' works against them because of its literal meaning and its connotations. I always mentally replace it with the synonym of libertarian socialism, and find it works wonders in reducing preconceptions.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Is there someone I should read? I read some of the Wikipedia article to try to educate myself but I didn’t get all that far.

Edit: I think the fact that I made someone so salty they felt the need to downvote this comment means I’m doing something right.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Discussing the matter with actual anarchists is preferable. There are fewer central agreed-upon texts to anarchism (appropriately enough, lmao), and many of those that remain influential are... quite thick. Kropotkin is available if you are the patient sort.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 6 points 3 weeks ago

I read the abridged version of the abridged version of Kropotkin just now. I like it quite a lot. I more or less stand by my assessment of the flaws in it, as compared with an approach like the founders of the US, but it sounds like good stuff. I think like a lot of things the devil is in the details.

I am mostly being snarky about the laughable brand of faux-anarchism that got me banned and deleted in this instance, not trying to throw too much shade at real anarchism.