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I've been consuming a lot of political content on both sides lately, but there's one thing that seems to be common among the Republicans. They always point out Kamala's shortcomings as a way to justify Trump's right to be president. They constantly bring up Kamala's wavering stances on fracking, the fact she hasn't been to the border, and a lot of other stuff. And i just think to myself "okay, so what? She's lied. So has Trump though". Why are republicans making it sound like Trump hasn't lied even moreso than Kamala?

Maybe the things Kamala lies about are so terrible? I really don't know. Maybe I'm just too biased. Am i missing something?

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 77 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

That's what they've done for like 8 years now, it's the foundation of Whataboutism. No matter what you pin on Trump, they'll jump on some other real or imagined wrong, no matter what it has to do with the conversation, and use that as justification for anything that Trump has done or will do. It's just a way to sidestep or confuse the issue.

  • "Trump is literally talking about becoming a fascist dictator."
  • "Yeah, but in the 12th century, Genghis Khan killed like 20–40 million people, that's what we're facing from Chi-na, they're going to slaughter everyone if we don't do anything about them and their takeover of China-store Kamala, she's bought and paid for!"
  • "WTF is wrong with you?"
[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

It's so widespread though which is what baffles me. Even political commentators i used to follow when i was still a young conservative make arguments like this. Surely they can't all be this dumb.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Surely they can't all be this dumb.

After a few decades following American politics you'll realize that yes, yes they can all be that dumb.

Just have a general conversation with your most conservative neighbors about basically anything and you'll quickly learn that there's nothing they don't have an opinion on and their level of ignorance is... Impressive.

Like, dude, you're 60+ years old and you think hurricanes are a conspiracy‽ The point where they lost their mind was long ago.

Sooner or later you can't help but wonder if they ever had sanity or they just faked it long enough to have a career/survive until retirement.

[–] SeikoAlpinist 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I remember almost 20 years ago, an older dude telling me that jet fuel can't melt steel beams, and giving me a copy of a movie called Zeitgeist on CD-R. That dude would be in his 60's or late 50's now.

Before that, people like Art Bell made a living on AM radio late at night with things like the Taos Hum and UFO's and paranormal stuff.

Like, a lot of early US settlers got sent there because they were batshit crazy and a danger to society. The Puritans were kicked out of England, and then they were kicked out of the Netherlands of all places, how does that even happen, before they ran off to America and did a bunch of crazy shit. We think of the "Salem Witch Trials" with horror and then sing "Land of the Pilgrims' Pride" without batting an eye, who do you even think the Pilgrims were?

So a bunch of criminals and wackos settled the United States, and when they got too crazy for their village, they just moved west, killed the native men, fucked a bunch of children, and made another crazy village. Pocahantas was like 12. And then if someone got kicked out of that village for being crazy, rinse and repeat until you get shit like Mormonism in Utah and Branch Davidians in Waco Texas and bombing the Olympics and speaking in tongues and sponsoring genocide through Biblical Tourism of the Holy Land.

America is a land of crazy people who have been rewarded for generations for being batshit crazy, and have an ability to not see things clearly in front of their face. This is really nothing new.

[–] lovely_reader@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

The things you're saying aren't necessarily untrue, but through a lot of the 20th century, immigrants and their children accounted for more than half of America's population growth. A lot of us aren't descended from the batshit OGs but from people who made perilous journeys in search of a better life, so goes the lore (and of course the people who were kidnapped and brought here in bondage). Your point stands, but there's a whole lot of different crazy here besides just settler crazy.

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