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Two hours before Donald Trump was set to take the stage at Madison Square Garden in New York City, right-wing comedian Tony Hinchcliffe warmed up the crowd with a shockingly racist performance. 

“Where are my proud Latinos at tonight?” Hinchcliffe asked the packed arena, eliciting scattered loud cheers. “You guys see what I mean? [The border’s] wide open. There’s so many of them.” 

“These Latinos, they love making babies, too,” he added. “There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They come inside just like they did to our country.” 

The crowd groaned and cheered as Hinchcliffe continued, saying, “Republicans are the party with a good sense of humor.”

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The more women have equal rights the lower the birthrate

The more accessible contraception is the lower the birthrate

The more educated people are the lower the birthrate

The more accessible abortion is the lower the birthrate

See a pattern here between that and conservative policies? People, no matter where they are on the political spectrum, who talk about the need to increase birthrate need to realize that these things are what they're wishing to see being gone. No matter how easy you make it to have babies, people don't want enough of them if they have access to education and preventive measures, social democracies with very wide safety nets and social programs and long parental leaves don't have a birthrate any higher than the one in the USA (in fact, in some cases it's some of the lowest in the whole world!).

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Also: religion

The two align in that more kids both more people to work themselves to death for cheap, more uneducated voters, and more parishioners to pay tithes

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Part of it is just money. The trickle up economics of the last 10 yrs has squeezed the possibility out of the working class.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That seems true only if you ignore examples from countries where wealth distribution and social mobility is much better or people who have actual wealth.

People in northern Europe don't have more babies even though they have the safety nets, social programs and wealth to have them. Rich people don't have more babies even though they have the means to have them.

People just don't want enough babies to renew the population if they're given the choice and other opportunities, it's that simple.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I said part. What you say is also true. It’s a multi faceted issue.

Other arguments would be climate change and political unrest/uncertainty.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the thing though, there's nothing that shows that money is any part of the issue. Heck, poor people have more kids than anyone else.

[–] Lyrl@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Clearly it’s a multifaceted issue, but all other things being equal (same culture, same applicable social safety net, etc.), rich people do have more babies than poor countrymates: https://ifstudies.org/blog/more-babies-for-the-rich-the-relationship-between-status-and-children-is-changing

It’s a linear relationship for men, and u-shaped for women (middle-income women have fewer kids than poor women, but high-income women have more kids than middle-income women).

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thanks for telling me the same thing twice and also, that's one study and I'll do the same thing you did and share family stats a second time

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

[–] Lyrl@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rich people do have more babies than poor countrymates: https://ifstudies.org/blog/more-babies-for-the-rich-the-relationship-between-status-and-children-is-changing

It's a linear relationship for men, and u-shaped for women (middle-income women have fewer kids than poor women, but high-income women have more kids than middle-income women).

Clearly it's a multifaceted issue, but all other things being equal, more money does make people more likely to have kids.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

For men but if you look at women numbers (and that's the important number at they're the ones having the kids) it paints a different picture.

Also

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/