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Well, one plan involves convincing western politicians and the companies that pay for them, to self regulate. The other involves personal choice.
So I guess I chose the easy one.
Also vegans do participate in animal activism of course. They just won't argue for better ways to slaughter animals.
but if it's ineffective, then it is no better.
Well, your graph could just as easily support my position as it could go against it.
I see a line that could be higher if not for the personal choice of a collective of vegans, vegetarians, and generally healthier people.
You see proof vegans aren't making a difference. Where's your proof that the line is unaffected by vegans? Do you have anything else that proves being vegan is an effort in futility?
i've never said that. i think if you want to avoid animal products, then doing so is its own reward. but if you want to decrease animal slaughter, it's ineffective.
i suggest that you go where animals are being slaughtered and stop it.
Reducing animal suffering is the goal. And putting myself in prison wouldnt help anything. Also I doubt american prisons would give me a vegan diet anyways.
The goal is similar to cigarettes. Regulation came about once the general public became aware of the health risks for even non smokers.
Right now its not as well known by the general public how unhealthy diets that are heavy in meat can be.
By being vegan, and making it more normal for those I interact with, it shows broadens what people know about it.
I'm personally banking that americans are so selfish they will reduce meat consumption purely for health/cosmetic reasons alone, like to avoid heart disease or to lose weight.
i didn't say you should be in prison. i suggested a way you could actually stop animal slaughter.
edit:
i believe in your creativity and resourcefulness, and i think you can come up with a way that effectively and directly reduces slaughter without landing in prison. perhaps if you looked up your local animal liberation front, you would find some allies to help in your endeavor.
Maybe I shouldnt assume. I thought you meant to go to a factory farm and rescue animals. If theres a way to do that without legal risk Im game. Is that what you meant?
i did, but don't get fucking caught! or make sure you have the resources not to land in jail, whether that's a rich dad and a good lawyer or the support of the local populace, or whatever.
i think your goal is laudable. it's not personally motivating for me, but it clearly is for you, and i hope you make some real progress on it in your life. if i told you that using lemmy reduced factory farming, i doubt you'd think that's true since there is no evidence of it. the main piece of evidence we have about animal agriculture is that it basically always increases. so no method, that i know of, is effective at shrinking it, but you could achieve some actual tangible results if you adopt other tactics.
I wonder what new laws and penalties would get passed if people started essentially raiding factory farms en masse.
I will give you credit for making me consider a third option here, although it seems to have a scaling issue too.