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[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (20 children)

If that's the case, then aren't they *biologically* women?

Biologically male or female would be more correct as gender is a social construct. Also the term is referring to their original status pre-hormonal or other gender affirming care so no.

that you probably failed

Sorry to disappoint you but I have never failed a subject and have completed higher education.

”basic biology”

You’re the only person here who has used that term.

[–] Laurentide@pawb.social 4 points 4 weeks ago (14 children)

Also the term is referring to their original status pre-hormonal or other gender affirming care so no.

We already have a far less problematic set of terms for that: Assigned Male at Birth (AMAB) and Assigned Female at Birth (AFAB). "Biological male" is a scientifically misleading phrase that bigots invented to slander trans people and it should not be used by anyone.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (13 children)

“Biological male” is a scientifically misleading phrase

The phrase seems to be very clear in meaning, could you tell me what you find misleading about it?

[–] Laurentide@pawb.social 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This was already explained to you earlier in the thread. "Male" and "female" are, biologically speaking, not distinct and mutually exclusive categories in humans. This is the case naturally, and the terms become even less useful once you account for those who modify parts of their biology, whether by surgery or by artificially triggering natural biological processes, to bring those parts into congruence with other parts of their biology.

"Biological male" is a slur. It has no basis in science. It's a term coined by bigots to misgender trans people with sciencey-sounding words so their abuse looks reasonable at a glance, in much the same way that proponents of Scientific Racism use pseudoscience in an attempt to legitimize white supremacy.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

"Male" and "female" are, biologically speaking, not distinct and mutually exclusive categories in humans.

They are and you repeating a claim without evidence does nothing.

Sexual dimorphism is real and artificial means of changing or replicating some parts of sexual dimorphism does not invalidate the underlying biology at play.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism

Male and female are so indistinguishable that it’s possible to identify them by their pelvis alone.

It's a term coined by bigots to misgender trans people

Unfortunate origins aside male is jot a gender and therefore not misgendering. Biological man is misgendering.

What do you think will be the outcome of arguing that sex and gender are the same? That’s literally the side of the argument you have chosen.

Either they’re separate and gender can be changed or they’re the same… and you disagree with trans rights.

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