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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If the Arabs had accepted partition in 1937 or 1947, there wouldn’t have been a war.

That's a funny way of saying if people didn't accept foreigners displacing them there would be no war.

Zionism is nothing more than the belief in Jewish self-determination in our ancestral homeland.

At the expense of the native population. It's an imperialist attitude, that does not take into account the suffering it inflicts. It's the same thing that happened to the Native American's when Europeans came to settle on their land. You're casually dismissing the suffering, systemic oppression, and ethnic cleansing of people to justify some political or ideological goal whose basis in the Jewish faith is questionable at best.

As I said above, Israel didn’t start the war that led to the Nakba. The Arab League of Nations did. They lost that war.

As I said before. You're neglecting what led to this war being brought on. You can't displace a native population and then be surprised when they decide to fight back and then cry victim.

The Arabs/Palestinians have had many opportunities to pursue peaceful coexistence and have chosen violence every time.

Like when Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by Israelis for signing the Oslo accords?

Or when Israelis would establish illegal settlements like what Hilltop Youth did and attacked Palestinians on site?

Or the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre?

The oppression Israel had done on the Palestinians is well documented.

Here's another report.

That is simply because they refuse to accept the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East.

Why should they? It's their land Israel settled on.

There was no Palestinian nationalist movement until Israel was created.

So what does that tell you about what Israel is doing? Why would this movement be needed in the first place?

[–] DarthJon@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

There is literally nothing analogous about Israel and the colonization of the Americas, but for the sake of argument let me ask you this:

Do you think First Nations people (as we call them in Canada) would be justified in carrying out an endless campaign of terrorist violence against Canadian and American citizens in the futile hope that we would all decide to pack up and leave? If several hundred of them decided to maraud through towns in rural US or Canada, butchering entire families, burning people alive, sexually violating women, and then took a couple hundred people hostage, would your attitude be, "Meh, we did take their land."

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago

The single fact that you were able to use it as an example means the 2 situations are analogous. Read some of the links I sent you in the other thread. You're sidestepping and dismissal of what's happening right in front of your eyes is getting pathetic.