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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah, it seems the only win the axis of resistance has experienced over the past year is Israel’s tanking international reputation, and that’s far more the result of Israel’s actions than anything the AoR has done.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

Israels economy is also tanking heavily. They have lost some 80 billion over the past year. Their "reverse migration" is stronger than ever.

Unless the West destroys the ICC, Israeli politicians and soldiers could face a trial that will make Nuremberg look like district court, especially as IDF proudly films and shares their war crimes online.

Israel has dived down the deep fascist end. This means political violence and murder will skyrocket. Someone who is used to getting away with murdering women and children and gettin praised for it instead of punished, will slaughter his wife and kids too if they dont obey. You know how femicide and domestic violence are rampant among cops? And only few of them have killed someone.

Once societies go down such a route there is no stopping them until they fall apart. Question is if it will meam genocide to thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

that’s far more the result of Israel’s actions than anything the AoR has done.

I mean it was Hamas fighting until this October, and I don't think anyone was expecting Hamas to beat Israel in a straight fight. Hezbollah will probably do better in a defensive war, but even then they won't deal the kind of serious damage you're expecting, and that was never the point.

You talk about Israel's international reputation tanking like it's a minor occurence, but the change in Western public opinion over the past year is big. Expect a lot of change in Israeli-Western relations in the next 20 years as the next generation gains more power in politics and the older generations more likely to support Israel die off.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Expect a lot of change in Israeli-Western relations in the next 20 years

I wouldn't count on it. Western attention spans are nowhere near long enough for that.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 4 weeks ago

They are occasionally. It depends on the event involved and the alignment of the stars, among other things. More seriously Israel's image in Western consciousness has permanently changed. Western attention spans would come into play if there was a default state, which isn't really the case here.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Expect a lot of change in Israeli-Western relations in the next 20 years as the next generation gains more power in politics and the older generations more likely to support Israel die off.

This is reminiscent of “just wait for the older generations to die off so we can finally elect more progressive candidates” I’ve been told of for the past 20 years. Meanwhile, it seems reactionaries are doing better than they have in decades the world around. I hope you’re right, but I’m not optimistic.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago

This is reminiscent of “just wait for the older generations to die off so we can finally elect more progressive candidates” I’ve been told of for the past 20 years.

I mean this does, to an extent, hold true in the US. The GOP's voter base is dying off and the country is bluer than ever. If Harris didn't insist on taking over Biden's most unpopular policies this wouldn't even be a contest. That said, I will acknowledge that I might be looking at things too optimistically.