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Python is still the most popular coding language, but challengers are gaining ground (www.techspot.com)
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The latest update to the TIOBE Index reveals notable shifts in the world of software development. While traditional programming languages remain popular, many developers are seeking out technologies that can make sense of the vast amounts of modern digital data. Legacy languages like C, COBOL, Fortran, and Assembly still have their place, but they no longer take center stage.

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[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

I really wonder about their methodology. JavaScript/Typescript is nearly ubiquitous in webdev, and has been making strides in the backend space for almost a decade now. No matter how you feel about it (yeah it's terrible, I've been press-ganged into it this year) it's a real force in the marketplace.

It's super surprising to me it's still behind C and C++.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's just such a massive volume of web development compared to systems programming?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I wonder how much of that actually is development and not just the gazillionth instance of some web site builders scripts.

[–] umt@lemmynsfw.com 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fact that the scratch language is in the top 20 should tell you how seriously you should take this metric. TIOBE measures the number of search hits mentioning the language. So a language that is popular with learners, or that has poor documentation and thus requires a lot of third party documentation, or that it is profitable to run ads next to will all be inflated.

[–] umt@lemmynsfw.com 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I personally think the advertising bump is why matlab is on there. Matlab programmers are the kind of dingleberries that love to pay for something that everyone else uses a foss alternative for.

[–] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago

Some places are inextricably tied to SimuLink due to how long it was around before any of the alternatives.

[–] embed_me@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

Lol I love the unfiltered shade

[–] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

C/C++ still has a huge place in firmware, microcontrollers, operating systems, drivers, application development, video games, real-time systems and so on. It's a totally different space of programming to webdev, which might explain the surprise.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No! C is legacy! No one uses it anymore! It's too hard!

/s

[–] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I mean it's not hard so much as very dated and a bit shit.

I could use raw pointers in c# if I wanted to. But it's just not a great way to do things.

C will likely have a place where low languages are required for a long time. But everywhere else there's little reason to choose over more modern languages.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I'm not really a webdev, more backend or full stack at this point. I do know about C & C++ strong presence in firmware, OS, HPC, video gaming, and elsewhere.

But by the numbers there's a lot more webdevs than any other kind out there, and that doesn't even touch on NodeJS leaking into backend and elsewhere.

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 8 points 2 days ago

Not only that, but with toolchains like deno, it's almost enjoyable

I wrote some telegram bots in deno and it's got one of the cleanest deploy chains around, just compile to an executable for the target architecture, and SCP it over. Exec is statically linked, and so it just works

[–] Voytrekk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everyone that does frontend works with JS/TS and it's becoming popular on the backend as well. Definitely the most popular language IMO.

[–] nous@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago

*in the web dev domain.

Which also has a very disproportionate representation on the web - for obvious reasons. And it is very easy to get stuck in the mentatilty that all you see if the domain you are in so you over estimate how large it is compaired to other domains. But lets not forget general application development, old large scale enterprise, embedded systems, game dev, machine learning and many more spaces where JS/TS are barely used at all.

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lot of the software that makes JavaScript web development possible is C or C++, like web servers, databases, operating systems, network devices.