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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.


Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


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[–] Perkele@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you mean that literally? As in no birds what so ever? If so, that's just so incredible sad.

[–] Fleppensteijn@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, sure I've seen some pigeons and heard a bird here and there. But sitting on my balcony, I just hear silence (and some traffic) where birdsong used to almost drown out traffic noise. Two trees in front of my home always had several bird nests, nothing this year. I haven't seen a single sparrow or woodpecker which used to be common. And I'm barely seeing any insects on places that used to be full of them so I guess there's just nothing left to eat.

[–] Perkele@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic

I was serious, I'm sorry if I came across as rude.

And I'm barely seeing any insects on places that used to be full of them so I guess there's just nothing left to eat.

Thank you for sharing this sad news. The reason I asked is that I live in Europe as well, and if things are this severe in Central Europe, than pretty soon the shitshow will come for the rest of us as well. Luckily birds and insects are still going strong here in western parts of Norway, for now that is. Still we're seeing more jellyfish in the fjords and less fish than before. We're also experiencing more ticks than earlier years. Things are looking bleak indeed.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hello neighbor. I'll be vacationing in the Haugesund area this year.

Things are slightly better in Southern Germany than Northern, and Eastern Germany is declining slower still. The good part is that it's partly reversible if you restructure agricultural landscapes. Though migrating birds cover a large area, where isolated national policies don't help that much.

[–] Perkele@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll be vacationing in the Haugesund area this year.

Hi there, if you like hiking you're in for a treat, just remember to pack your rain gear and prep for cool/cold weather. I live further north in the Molde area and funnily enough my neighbours are from Kiel and they left to get away from the crowdy area. Personaly I like it best in the southern parts of Germany and have been quite a lot in the Stuttgart, München and Ingolstadt area. Used to visit the Christmas market in Stuttgart before Covid, it was amazing.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks! Give me a ring when you're in Munich again.

[–] Perkele@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 2 points 1 year ago

Will do, ditto if you're ever around Molde.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It depends now much industrial monocrop agriculture is nearby and how many local bird feeders are filled throughout the year. You can change the microenvironment in your own garden easily enough, but agricultural and environmental policy is harder to influence. Municipal level is usually where it ends.