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Taking a stand against fracking is all it would take, when the largest swing state this election has an economy that leans heavily on fracking?
It's not the instant win you think it is.
Not the person you replied to, but 58% of Pennsylvanians support a ban on fracking. It really shouldn't be surprising. Pennsylvania may be a great hub of fracking, but very few people actually benefit from the wealth it creates. Meanwhile, they're the people actually on the ground, living there in the areas most affected by fracking. They know its effects better than anyone. It's their ground water and their wells are being contaminated, all so a few companies owned by out of state wealthy interests can profit mightily. Plus, it's not like Pennsylvanians aren't also worried about climate change.
You're confusing people and corporations...
https://www.wvia.org/news/pennsylvania-news/2024-10-10/pa-voters-split-on-fracking-but-show-widespread-support-for-stronger-regulations
58% of likely voters in PA want it banned...
Did the environmentalists show up for Gore? No they did not.
Did the environmentalists show up for Clinton who said she'd have a map room to fight climate change? No they did not.
Were the environmentalists going to show up for Biden after he passed green energy and ev policies? Polls said no they were not going to show up.
Harris saying she'd ban fracking is an instant loss. She and everyone advising her knows this.
Yep. When Democrats enact environmental policies, they don't do it for the votes. Which makes Biden all the more commendable for his environmental action imo.
That assumes that 58% are people who aren't already voting dem
When people are employed by those corporations, they have a vested interest in their livelihood not disappearing overnight.
A survey of 700 people leaves considerable room for polling error. Without information on how they selected participants, I wouldn't say that's an overwhelming margin.
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https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2021/01/29/report-pennsylvania-stands-to-gain-243000-jobs-a-year-from-clean-energy-investment/
64k, not just fracking, that's all fossil fuel jobs in PA.
There's 12.7 million people in the state
0.5% of people in the state work any job connected to fossil fuels....
You're confusing corporations and people homie.
You didn't have to tell us you never learned about stats in any educational setting, but I appreciate the transparency.
700 is more than enough
700 people is a good sample size if they are a truly random representative sample of your population. In real life, polling error tends to vary far more than 1/sqrt(n) because of systemic biases in how you select participants. Depending on how the survey was conducted, it could intrinsically favor certain demographics.
An economy that "leans heavily" on fracking? What sort of economy leans on destroying their water table? What did you say about the economies that "lean heavily" on coal mining?
Like what, West Virginia? Can me when they're a swing state, but don't hold your breath.
If the conviction issue depends upon it being a swing state then it isnt a conviction issue.
Who's arguing about conviction here?
I want the US to pull out of fossil fuels. In the immediate future, there is no presidential candidate committing to that, but one of them is completely all-in on expanding fossil fuels so I will be voting for the opposite candidate.
Less than a month before election day is not the time for purity politics.
Which candidate are you referring to? And it certainly hasn't been just in the last month that fossil fuel policies have been a political issue.