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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

"Biological male" is a meaningless term

I hate being that guy, but that's false on a number of levels. If it was meaningless, hormone treatments and puberty blockers wouldn't be something ever needed as part of treatment for dysphoria or transistioning.

There's different bone structure signs often used in identification of cadavers and fossils. Different natural hormonal balances effect body growth and muscle development. They effect health risk factors and medical treatment in emergencies. Medical professionals don't ask about biological sex just because they want to trigger someone's dysphoria, they ask because it has measurable effects on treatment options.

There are measurable, quantifiable differences that can't be hand waved away by the idea that someone is merely assigned a gender at birth. To claim otherwise is to claim that people requiring medical intervention for their dysphoria are faking or overemphasizing the necessity for them, and that simply changing their clothes should be enough. Biological sex is something that unfortunately exists outside of the purely social contstructs around gender and gender presentation.


I don't have a solution in regards to the sports competition thing, and I hate with every fiber of my being that this shit has become a rallying cry for transphobes, but ignoring facts about the biological reality of sexual dipmorphism is denying that people can even have a mismatch between their biological sex and gender.

I understand the feeling that it doesn't matter in nearly every situation in life, but when it comes to medicine and body development, if biological sex didn't exist or matter than how could anyone need anything more than declaring their pronouns and changing how they dress?

It's possible to go too far and end up in a place that deny the realities that cause dysphoria in the first place, and you're there.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 5 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Thank you for your reply. I don't think we disagree that much, but I'm afraid we may be miscommunicating a bit.

What determines "biological sex"?

Chromosomes? Except someone with Androgen Insensitivity may have XY chromosomes, but physically appear to be female.

Genitalia? But we have intersex people with ambiguous genitalia

Testosterone? Caster Semanya

Full disclosure: this seems more your field than mine. I don't think I'm educating you, just trying to clarify my point. It seems like you're arguing against "There's no such thing as assigned gender at birth". What I'm saying that there is no objective way to categorize all humans into neat little sex boxes. Biological sex is a spectrum with most people either at the "male" point or the "female" point, but some examples everywhere in between.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No disagreement here.

I believe most of the medicinal/health stuff would is assumed to be chromosome based, but I don't think there's been a ton of research into whether it's truly something genetics based from the chromosomes or from the long term effects of different hormone balances on someone's body over the course of their life.

Given how relatively new a lot of these dysphoria treatments are, I think we'll probably be learning a lot about where the differences actually come from in a generation or two as we see this stuff become more common.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 3 days ago

When it comes to sports there really is not any question any more. Again, I'm not a physician, but any given sports body can determine what a trans woman needs to do to compete on a level playing field with cis women.

This is best evidenced by the lack of trans women superstars. Despite the Daily Wire's recent magnum opus, trans women compete and lose all the time in women's sports, it's only the transphobes who have a problem with them ~~competing~~ at all.

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