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[–] vxx@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Do you have a source? That's an opinion without a single source for their claims.

When I look for sources, they all dispute your claim.

A study about this topic: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

Example from the exit polls 2016: https://www.statista.com/statistics/631224/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-gender/

Here's a times article disputing your claim:

https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/

[–] Wade@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

None of those articles show white women voting blue. The first link shows them voting for Trump, the second one is for all women so the statistic is irrelevant, and the third article still says more white women voted for trump than Clinton...

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

More white woman voting for trump doesn't prove that the majority always votes for republicans, which I further disproved down below.

47% isn't the majority of woman, and that's the most extreme example I could find.

Sure, I could've picked a year with better numbers, but that seemed disingenuous, and why would I need to do that if even the spell of trump doesn't support the claim he made.

8% didn't answer and were excluded, why would you automatically assumehalf of them voted for trump?

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry are you asking about white women voting for Republicans? Did you look at your first link? I suspect you're conflating "women" with "white women".

That conflation is really what I'm talking about when I mention the racism of this country. It honestly was not meant to be pointed directly at the people here, I mean that stories abound about how "women" are solidly Democratic as a way to hide that the majority of white women are Republicans.

Edit: But if you're quibbling that 47% is not a majority when 42% voted for Democrats, you're just wasting time. If only white women voted, Republicans would win.

I suppose the whole white supremacy thing shouldn't surprise me, but still, I did not know this. Thanks for being such a firebrand about it here, I guess, haha.

[–] uid0gid0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think you actually read those articles

According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I read those, and they made me confident enough to refute this statement:

The majority of white women always vote Republican and that's just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what's wrong with us.

I picked the most extreme case in his favour on purpose, quite the opposite of you that picked the worst of my three sources for my case..

2020 shows a very different picture.

https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/how-women-voters-decided-2020-election-n1247746

Edit: A little bonus

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

LOL! Did you even read that link? Good God, man, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Meanwhile, white women seem to have maintained or slightly increased their level of support for Trump compared to 2016, with some 55 percent of them voting for Trump this election cycle and 43 percent voting for Biden according to early exit polls.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's Support for trump and reflecting on 2 years. Again, can you provide a source for your claim that they always vote in favour of republicans?

Just do the math yourself for the historic data. Just a hint, black woman shift the results about 3% towards Democrats, generously calculated. And that's ignoring the higher voter turn out for white woman.

To match your goal post shifting, why do you claim 12% black man vote for trump, when it's 17% that say they're going to vote for him?

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can't even say "Nonwhite women exist."

Goal shifting? You post 4 articles that agree with me and then claim I'm goal shifting. You should be ashamed of yourself. Learn to read and then come back and talk. 🤡

[–] vxx@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

None of the articles agree with your statement. It only shows that even for the tightest race that has been trump, you are still wrong by saying "the majority of white woman always vote Republican".

That you're constantly trying to insult me says everything about you that I need to know.

Keep sniffing your own farts and get lost.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

None are so blind as those who will not see ✌🏾

[–] vxx@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lol, bible quotes instead of a source? Brillant.

Wacko Mode Initiated

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Why do you keep lying? I thought it was an accident, but you've got your head stuck in the ground.

You understand that nonwhite women exist, right?

Your article is precisely what I'm talking about: taking great pains NOT to say how the majority of white women voted Republican.

While Biden made gains among college-educated, white women voters who supported him in greater numbers than they did Hillary Clinton four years ago, Black women voters carried him over the finish line.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I provided you sources that refute your claim that a white woman MAJORITY ALWAYS votes for Republicans.

Now it's your time to back up your claims before calling me a lier.

What is the percentage of black woman that vote, 10% (Edit: it was 6.5% in 2016) in comparison to all voters?

Even if they all voted dem it wouldn't shift my numbers over the edge for your claim of always, actually still far from it.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your articles are calling you a liar. Not me. (Edit: Well, I am too, come to think of it.)

The first Pew research graph clearly says that 47% of white women voted for Republicans and 45 for Democrats.

The second makes no mention of race. If you choose to reply, repeat after me: "Nonwhite women exist." Maybe you just forgot about Hispanic women. And Asian. And everyone else.

The third just dismisses exit polling without presenting any data to dispute it.

Edit: My bad, I should have looked at your whole article. It also agrees with me. Sit your lying ass down.

The 52% statistic appears to be one of those myths. According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. T

By my count, we have the Post and Pew Research (And the Times) supporting me, and you have yet to support your claim at all.