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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago (36 children)

Our long-term goal should be to continue to build up grassroots movements for the working class; this won’t happen in a day.

Cool, now which is easier to build movements under, a fascist regime, or a moderate milquetoast capitalist regime?

Will throwing your vote away in protest of 'the duopoly' do anything, in this election, to change that or meaningfully contribute to a grassroots movement for the working class?

We have a thousand tools at our disposal. Voting is one - an important one. Tools should not be misused, but each one used in its own unique way to maximize its effect on your goals.

[–] ZeroCool 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Cool, now which is easier to build movements under, a fascist regime, or a moderate milquetoast capitalist regime?

Let's be real here, the kind of person ranting on the internet about "ThE DuOpOlY" is not actually interested in building anything at all. They just like to stomp their feet, and shout "no fair!" over and over again like the petculant children they are, while the grownups are busy trying to prevent the country from descending into fascism.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Not the same person, but I carry similar sentiments. I helped form the second largest tech union in North America. What are you doing to support the working working class and build alternatives to capital? Tossing support at the nearest person in fear doesn't prevent fascism.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To use your example, here are the options:

  • today we can definitely get a Union that covers some tech workers but not all of them.

Or

  • today we can try to get a Union for all tech workers, but it’s a long shot. And if we lose, the consequences are that we don’t get another union vote for 4 years and during that time, the tech companies get to run rampant with negative propaganda about unions, making the challenge even harder next time.

Which would you choose, second largest tech union guy?

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

False dichotomy. The stakes of the second version are the same for the first regardless of union size. There never has been and never will be a guaranteed union campaign until we overthrow capitalism.

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