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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The hamas is not a government.

It is easy to pick a side.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not anymore, after being mostly whipped out by the Israeli military.

Nor the Israeli government, or the Iran aligned armed groups (Hamas, Hezbollah) are worth of being supported, the only worthy side is those who wish for peaceful and respectful cohabitation.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the only worthy side is those who wish for peaceful and respectful cohabitation.

So you support Hamas?

[–] Peter1986C@lemmings.world 3 points 1 month ago

For Pete's sake that is not what Dremor is stating.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you'd take a look at Hamas ideology, I'd call that far from peaceful and respectful.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hamas supports a peaceful resolution and two state solution. They had a very nice peaceful march in 2019. Similar to the west bank. Even Hamas recent statements are very reasonable and try to reach a peaceful resolution.

Say ,which party is the violent one which tries to expand their Lebensraum and refuses all attempts at peace again? I recall there being an order for a party to directly distantle all their illegal colonies in the West Bank.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Then should I suppose that killing civilians, men, women and children on the 7th of October was a way the peacefully resolve the issue? (Note that this also applies to the Israeli response since too).

Both side has showed they have no intention of peacefully resolve the issue. They both know that their power depends on keeping the hate alive, and fuel each other perfectly.

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Then should I suppose that killing civilians, men, women and children on the 7th of October was a way the peacefully resolve the issue?

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There is a difference between a peaceful resolution and a peaceful resistance.

Hamas tried the peaceful resistance in 2019. Do look up how Israel responded.

Better yet, look at the West Bank right now. Tell me how that peaceful resistance is working out against israel.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The hamas is not a government.

Hum... In Gaza they used to be exactly a government. Not a democratic one, but one imposed by Israel.

... what I'm sure the GP wouldn't like to hear either.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The justification of Israel was "we are fighting terrorists".

Call it whatever you'd like, according to this, they did not recognize it as a government, and as such we have horrible terrorist acts on one side, and government-backed war crimes on the other side.

And also, the death count is not really comparable, and Israel using its status of a government to mass-murder civilians is much closer to the nazis than to a terrorist attack.

The scale and the nature of the authors of these crimes are not leaving a doubt as to who is the main problem now.