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[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think there's a time and a place for criticizing our candidates. The time is during the candidate's term and in the Primaries. During the General, it's a bad time to do so. And you have to realise: You don't always get what you want. You say you want a candidate that Dem voters want to be President. The opportunity for that to happen is in the primaries. Unfortunately, the time for that has come and gone.

Biden won those primaries. The voters for the Democratic Party, who ALL get a say, put Biden up front. And people hammered Biden, including bad actors from the other party as well as from foreign countries, until Biden had no room for error. When he flubbed the first debate, we used the rules for succession, with him stepping down and his VP taking the top spot, like what would happen if he was rendered incapable of serving while he was in office.

I return to my key point. Trump or Harris are our choices today. No Third Party will win. As long as you are voting for Harris, criticise away. Just know that I will push back against any post that seems to suggest our candidate is horribad and shouldn't be voted for. Not voting for Harris means we get Trump.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The time is during the candidate’s term and in the Primaries.

You think we had a primary?

And during their term? That's like saying the best time to negotiate price is after the sale is made...

Your view only makes sense if you're operating under the assumption the candidate won't listen to any criticism or adjust their policy to align with Dem voters more and maximize their chances of winning the election.

Biden isn't the candidate anymore, Harris certainly isn't perfect but I believe she's at least willing to open a dialog with Dem voters, even after the shit that was pulled at the DNC where she did the opposite.

Dem voters aren't Republican voters, telling them to shut up and vote D depresses turnout, what improves Dem turnout is the candidate listening to voters so that they feel part of the party and more likely to support the candidate, even if the candidates position doesn't change.

It's really as easy as that to boost Dem turnout.

It's only bad for the Dem candidate if they act like a spoiled toddler who's told there's no ice cream till the vegetables are gone