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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Some 53% of voters in the poll said they agreed with a statement that “immigrants who are in the country illegally are a danger to public safety,” compared to 41% who disagreed. Voters had been more closely divided on the question in a May Reuters/Ipsos poll, when 45% agreed and 46% disagreed.

Ahhh good to know some things never change. Good old hateful racist assholes Americans being asshole Americans. I hate living here with these fucking ghouls. The only dangerous people are actual American citizens...

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's certainly one way to look at it, and around here you'll find a lot of folks are eager to pat you on the back for embracing that kind of lazy, myopic conclusion. There is, however, much more to the story:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/may/28/young-more-anti-immigration-than-old-in-parts-of-europe-polling-shows

https://www.paschal-law.com/blog/the-rise-of-anti-immigrant-sentiment-around-the-world/

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/27/nx-s1-5050746/rising-anti-immigrant-sentiment-in-germany-causes-concerns-in-the-countrys-business-community

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X22001531

https://bpr.studentorg.berkeley.edu/2022/12/09/what-is-driving-the-rise-of-anti-immigration-sentiment-in-europe/

Given that the trend we're seeing is also prevalent in most western democracies, we're left with two distinct possibilities:

  1. Every western democracy is half-full of racist assholes.

  2. There's something going on that's more nuanced than naked racial animus.

Which seems more likely seems to depend a great deal on direct, lived experience, as well as education and age. It also seems to depend on the health of the broader economy. Unfortunately, pointing those factors out doesn't tend to elicit as many upvotes as claiming everyone's a flaming, degenerate racist.

Thank you for those links and insightful take. I had wondered about this myself - with your take I can see a way forward now.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That 53% of voters includes ever trump voter in the country.

So if it's every trump supporter, it's only 10% of people who aren't voting R no matter.

Republicans pander to the majority of their base. And Dems also pander to the Republican base.

It's one of the biggest and most obvious problems with our political system. When both parties keep moving right, it's obviously going to result in the country overall moving to the right.

It's really not complicated, but some people love to misrepresent it.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

the Democratic chase for the centrist unicorn stuffs us all into a very cramped and increasingly hot basket.

That 53% of voters includes ever trump voter in the country

Perhaps not every single last one, but good point overall.

So if it’s every trump supporter,

I would need more evidence to support the rest of this. But yeah we at least can get a better handle by filtering out those supporters - the remaining percentage is likely to be much smaller.

Republicans pander to the majority of their base. And Dems also pander to the Republican base.

Actually this is not true. AOC for example, endorses Harris (as per https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cj4xegj1jq2o ) but is definitely more liberal than Harris and not afraid to state it (see https://qz.com/aoc-mark-cuban-kamala-harris-ftc-lina-khan-billionaire-1851669012 )

Harris is in a tough spot to win the election but wait another generation or decade and I have a feeling that things are going to look very different.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Which is why we need to be smart.

We need to cancel the electoral votes of the South, until they sort their shit out, call it Reconstruction 2.0.

We have to fix this cancer on our nation if we ever hope to function again, and the longer we push it off, the worse the metastasis gets.