Santabot

Do instances have rankings or are all users considered equall? i see issues with both cases.

All instances are equal.

Are all upvotes equall?

Not at all. Votes are weighted by the "rank" of the user, as determined by the weight of votes coming in from other users. It's a modified version of PageRank, with the same strengths and a lot of the same vulnerabilities as PageRank.

how does instances with disabled downvotes work?

They're not considered differently in the algorithm. If only upvotes are coming out of any given instance, they're considered to be the same as any other upvote.

what about single direction federation?

What do you mean?

can u give me some number on the effectivness of upvotes per account downvoting on a user.

I'm deliberately not providing too much introspection into how things work numerically, because I don't want to provide a roadmap for how to abuse the system. It's impossible to make this type of system bulletproof. All I'm saying is that I think it's a lot more difficult to abuse it than you think it is.

Open sourcing it sounds like a good idea till u realise anyone can then use it to purposely be malicious so thats an even worse idea its a complex issue that thankfully i dont gotta solve.

Abusive moderation already exists on Lemmy. Automating it based on the community at large, at this point, sounds to me like more of a blessing than anything else. I don't think anyone who wants to enact abusive moderation would bother with this tool. They would just ban the people they don't like and think no more about it.

I do t see how its a privacy violation all the raw votes are public anyways i guess its just ur bots judgements that are private. Ur welcome to post my results publicly since its all open anyways.

I don't mean that it's a privacy violation in the sense of exposing people's votes. What I mean is that I don't want to create a bullying atmosphere, where I'm holding up one person's account and outlining all the reasons they are a bad poster and are banned. I prefer to do that only for people who have signed up to have it done to them.

Im greatfull for you licence to develop a system designed to try abuse ur bot. As long as i dont get defederated it should be doable without resorting to illegal practice’s (buying stolen accounts etc).

No problem. I'm interested in researching the question of how well it works, obviously. I may not be very helpful to you, in terms of giving feedback about how it's working, because as I said, I don't want to provide a roadmap. But if you think you are capable to do this, it helps me understand the system and its strengths and weaknesses to have you make the attempt.

I do think that you should worry about being defederated. I don't plan to make any attempt to influence people to defederate you, but I wouldn't be surprised if some administrators take notice of what you're doing and defederate you on their own. Vote-rigging is one of a handful of behaviors which admins feel strongly enough about to defederate for.

I can print about 1k upvotes per 5minutes with 200accounts each account will have about 1/200th that many votes per 5minutes (rank building). Is this pace significant enough to influence ur algorithm?

I doubt it. You need to outweigh millions of real votes. You can leave your process running and eventually reach that level, but I think that before you start creating an impact on the algorithm, you will be noticed and defederated. I could be wrong, of course, which is why it's a useful experiment.

I think you should also consider the performance implications of your work. If someone starts seeing increased load on their server, and they look into it and discover that you are federating clearly fake votes in the range of thousands per hour and that's why their performance is suffering, they are likely to defederate you and ban your accounts on other instances now and in the future, at the very least. I'm fine with you doing this experiment, but that doesn't extend to server administrators being fine with your impacts on them.

In fact, I recommend that you send a quick note to the server administrator of whichever instance, outlining what you're doing and asking if it is okay from their point of view. I'm not on board for you causing operational problems to anybody.

My contraversial opinions got me banned by the bot and unbanned recently i assume due to tuning of some parameters of something.

You are banned again, and have been for a couple of weeks. You accrued a lot of negative rank from the "is (blank) a slur" comments section, but not enough to ban initially. I think generally, you're near the borderline, which is why you drift into getting banned from time to time, as you did when some of your earlier participation aged out of the 30-day window, and it became chiefly that one comments section to go on. I think at the present time, it's mostly that you do not have much participation, outside of that one thread, and so the negative rank from that thread is pushing you over into getting banned.

As with almost everyone who gets banned, it's not your opinions that are the issue. It's your delivery. Here's an example that worked very much against you:

Is the n word a slur if it isn't directed at black people or the f word?

Can a black person call themselves an nword tho? Or are you going yo tell them what they can and cant do like the old days?

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It's just inflammatory for no reason. You didn't answer the question or acknowledge the point that the other person was making. You just tried to continue and inflame the bickering.

You could have posted a calm and reasoned attempt to make the exact same point you were making, acknowledging the question and feeling confident enough in your point of view that you were willing to have it probed and challenged. Instead you opted to ignore the comment, and make a counterpoint while dismissing the question.

Like it says in the FAQ, most of Lemmy is highly tolerant of a wide range of points of view. Like most people, though, they will disapprove across the board of someone who is both unpopular and hostile and argumentative about their unpopular opinion. You can get away with one or the other, but not both.