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I'm not conservative. I just want to return to Soviet-era communism where gays were shot and ethnics were killed
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they did! Lenin, despite his solution to everything being mass murder, made some great strides.
... Then Stalin reversed everything back to how it used to be; he effectively killed communism. And now Stalin is celebrated by tankies despite his reign ultimately leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Lenin warned them, damnit, he warned them!
I always wonder if Lenin's solution to everything wasn't to kill everyone, would the Soviet Union still be around today?
It's almost like there's nuance in just about all things...
It's too easy for us to take the "simple" reality we think we understand and feel superior to others like the example about libs loving to bomb Muslims...
If it were just about that there are a fuckton of other places we'd be doing that as well...
I'm not the person you were initially talking to, I was trying to (and apparently failing) support you. You had provided nuance. :P
Oh yeah, I can see the different names now, my b. I thought your comment was sarcastic lol. I'll delete it!
yes, the US is shit, moving on.
Hey, now, don't be disingenuous. Stalin was perfectly okay with Nazi Germany and wanted an equal share in the invasion of Poland. They only helped the Allies after Nazi Germany betrayed them. If Nazi Germany didn't betray the Union, then the Union would've been okay with their existence.
And you doubt this? Do you doubt that Stalin's soviet union rounded up Jews, queers and minorities for the main purpose being extermination?
You respect him for siding with fucking nazi germany when it came to the invasion of poland? Get a big heavy banhammer, tankie. Try again when you don't respect Stalin.
Ohh tankie can't go two posts without genocide apologia
What is the difference between "minorities" and "Jews" here?
Minorities are minorities. Some religions, queers, poc, etc~ countries that the soviet union annexed. Ukrainians were considered a minority.
Why did you scope Jews out from the other minorities tho?
Also the groups you mentioned were hardly primary targets of soviet repression.
So kinda odd to be naming victims but focusing on this when you look at the bigger picture of what Soviet regime has done.
Both raw numbers and pro proportion wise.
Crimean tartars were outright removed from Crimea with half dying en route to centrla Asia.
25% of baltics states were forcefully removed due to being "enemies of the people"
Some weird western bias here lol
Because the Soviet Union was vehemently antisemitic.
And Ukraine wasn't a primary target of repression? Are you forgetting the holodomor?
You mentioned Ukrainians already I was topping off with examples of other people targeted at scale, kazakh should be mentioned too tbh...
As for anti semetism within USSR... Just because Jews got caught up in purges, doesn't make it anti semetism.
chema and NKVD were loaded with Jews esp near the top during Holodomor and Stalin killed them off after they did a good job.
Is this anti-semitism you are talking about?
I'm assuming you're just blissfully unaware of the antisemitism within the Soviet Union.
We'll take the Doctor's Plot as an example. The Soviet Union created a campaign where they said that Jewish doctors intended to kill leading communists, which of course was just to purge more jews.
Also what do you mean by good job?
They were very effective at starving people, waffen-ss level effectiveness.
Ahh yes propaganda campaign... Did anyone die?
This conversion is clown. Stalin murders millions of people... But have you thought about the jews🤡
You're being really weird if you specifically take offence to me mentioning Jews as one of these minorities. I also mentioned Ukraine as a part of these minorities to distinguish how each was treated: Jews were purged, Ukrainians were starved, Gays were locked up and unprotected. I can go on...
It's pretty telling that you're just being antisemitic, so I'm giving you a warning to knock it off; no hate speech is allowed here.
No offense, only pointing out bias
Bias? Bias of what? Jews? I even mentioned queers in the same comment you took issue with, but you're not whining about queers, now are you?
Jews were a crucial part of World War 2, and especially in the soviet union. The union's antisemitism pokes a big hole in the whole tankie rhetoric that 'the Soviet Union actually saved World War 2 and the Jews!'
Coaching USSR in this context... Original comment started with that.
Anyway... Gays too tbh. Again it is a bias.
Yes thee groups were victims of the regime but highlighting them essentially glosses over what happened. But thats just my opinion .
But they specifically mentioned Nazis, hence why I brought up Jews and Queers, both explicit victims of the holocaust. But you said nothing about Queers, despite that still being 'Western bias.'
You've got a clear problem with Jews, and antisemitism isn't allowed in this community per instance rules. So you're getting a final warning to fully drop the topic, since your comments really are appreciated--Just not when it's antisemitic.