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The Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained ground in three recent state elections, caused an uproar in the Thuringian parliament and triggering another debate on whether to ban the party outright.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 85 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There won't be democracy in Germany if the AfD gets into power. You need to stop the wound from gushing before you can worry about setting the broken bone.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

100% Correct. These are Nazis just like they are depicted in textbooks.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't disagree with that sentiment at all, I'm just not sure how to set this particular broken bone. How do you make ~20% of the population less fascist?

[–] Letme@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

You stop allowing the lies and disinformation to spread, that's how!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Germany did it after WWII. They can do it again.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Did they do it, though? Eg. the BfV (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, the domestic intelligence agency) and BKA (Federal Criminal Bureau, the federal investigative police) are somewhat notorious for having a bit of a neo-Nazi problem, and they're not the only German federal or state entities with the same issue (see eg. this article about the BfV and BKA. Edit: PBS report about neo-Nazi infiltration in German security forces).

It's not an uncommon view that denazification wasn't entirely successful. Hell, they even have a word for the sort of rushed "washing clean" of Nazi officials that was done: Persilschein, "Persil ticket" (Persil is a detergent brand).

I'd argue that if denazification had really succeeded, the AfD and others like it wouldn't be as much of an issue.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Not entirely successful" and "not 30% of the population" are two very different things.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd be inclined to think that going from 30% to 20% is worse than "not entirely successful" (assuming AfD voters in general are at the very least somewhat sympathetic to fascist views, which really doesn't seem like an unfair assumption)

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

20% is still better than 30%. Less momentum in the movement; more chance of discouraging others from pursuing it.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

You can't, but Germany has always had at least 20% nazis and fascists all throughout its post war history.

Up till recently, they didn't vote, or voted conservative, because there was no other option. So they didn't actually threaten democracy all that much.

Banning the AfD won't reduce the number of fascists, but it will close one avenue they have for destroying the state.