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Absolute degenerate.
I have also spent some time screwing around with AI art generators. No way I'm addressing my self as an artist for it. AI art can be useful in certain situations such as whipping together a stupid meme to share between some friends. It's not any talent involved, and it's not something you should consider as copyright worthy.
Creating nice art is available to anyone. It just require some creativity and talent if you want to love of it. Being an artist is not some basic human right. As plenty of "artists" believe.
@Crampon
AI artists are just the new version of "fractal artists" who for the most part just pick a color palette and run a Mandelbrot generator until they find an appealing image.
It's not nothing but it's not going to get you very far.
Some AI artists actually take the time to touch up the image in something like phtoshop once they get the idea they want but there are still problems with the image.
As the images get better though that might stop
Now do pour painting
sign a toilet bowl
@dgerard
I had a bit making an exception for the value of "fine art" because that can get weird, like “unmade bed with a bunch of trash around it” or a signed urinal.
But I seem to have left that part on the cutting room floor.
If a piece of purely prompt-generated AI art hits a price like a shark in formaldehyde I strongly suspect it'll be some kind of inorganic AI industry insider self-dealing to hype up the AI art market, similar to the big Beeple NFT sale.
Okay but the shark in formaldehyde is fucking awesome to see in person.
It's a shark! In formaldehyde!!
yeah, Hirst can be a bit of a hack and the names of the pieces are super cheugy but he's definitely made some really evocative stuff
@V0ldek
Yeah I'm not dismissing that. It's a big ass shark in a tank.
Or the guy who made a cast of his own head using his own frozen blood, that's kept in a special refrigerated display case.
I think it might be worth reflecting on exactly why Fountain seems to "get weird;" it had a context and complaints about it are part of that context. I liked this recent video which explores the politics of Fountain.
@corbin
I just mean "weird" in terms of “valued far higher than the average person might expect” but I'm not implying that that value isn't merited. I'm not one to dismiss a Rothko.
Right? I used to think Kinkade was the pompous narcissist. That anyone would consider themselves an AI "artist" is absolutely wild.
Thank heavens we have people like you to police who gets to be called an artist or not...
I instructed the Ford dealer to sell me a new Focus with leather interior and aluminum wheels. I am a car designer and manufacturer. I made this.
I'm not getting your point?
You're posting too much without reading, please come this way to the egress.
Yes you are
It's not a protected title. Go to town with it.
But it's diluting the value of it if you carry no talent but want all the recognition.
So the value of art is directly tied to talent in your opinion?
What's next, value of products being directly tied to their quality??
Tbf it’s more about their necessity than quality.
What're you defining 'value'? Monetary, sure but what of emotional value? What're you defining as 'quality'? What's high quality art to you? What's valuable in your view? I garuntee that's not the same for everyone.
Very true, since it's all relative no one should ever make an aesthetic judgement. No one should have thoughts about the value of art. No one should have any reaction to art other than an acknowledgement of its existence.
True J. Benzo Peterson vibes
What do you mean by VALUE? What do you mean by QUALITY? What do you mean by PRODUCTS?? What do you mean by WHAT???
You think it's not?
No, the value of art is specific to each individual. A picture made by someone with no talent can be of enormous value to someone because of what it means, the relationship they have with the creator, the emotions it makes them feel etc.
Tieing value to talent suggests that a picture by someone who has trained for 5 years is somehow more 'valuable' than a picture by someone who has only trained for 4. Why? What metric is being used to determine 'value'? What metric determines 'talent'? Art is entirely subjective. To try and define it's value is missing the point, because it means something different to everyone.
What are you doing, bro
@YungOnions
What do you mean value?
Emotional value? No. Many parents value their small child's drawings.
Market value? Mostly yes. Especially in commercial art like art commissioned for book covers. Untalented artists aren't going to be very successful.
Thank heavens we have people like you to police who gets to be called the police...
Your position seems to be that art is whatever the US Copyright Office deems worthy of copyright.
i mean, it IS art. you are just using a tool that makes it much much easier to put your mind into the screen.
art is a process not a thing on a screen. get rid of the tension between idea and realisation and you get rid of most of what is interesting about art. (besides i'm sorry for your mind if your imagination is adequately represented by the output of stock image generators.)
ai art is also a process, albeit a different one. its not easy to get good creative results.
i'd tend to agree if we were talking about something that is actually interesting instead of an incredibly generic piece of kitsch art.
hence why you need actual creativity
wow look at this one, too good to headbutt a screen like is tradition
my doctor said it was causing problems in my head or something so i stopped